Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Greatest I am, Feb 27, 2017.

  1. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Anecdotal renderings, while important as examples are not worthy of debate. Check the stats and recognize that few of us have to go through that type of life.

    Those same stats will show you haw much better things are today.

    Regards
    DL
     
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  3. birch Valued Senior Member

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    you are naive. stats prove very little because only when things get extreme such as deaths occuring do they get revealed. just as there are people who believe most people are good because they don't have a criminal record when bad character doesn't need such an extreme outlet to show itself or do damage. there is plenty toxicity in humans and in society. if this were not true, people would not even need to be choosy or careful of who they associate with or let become close to them etc.

    what's pissing me off is i'm having to explain (not just to you) to adults shit they already know but denying.
     
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  5. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i think this universe, if you measure it in a spectrum or curve, could say it's definitely connected to evil pretty well but has some good but the good is not enough to make a real difference, just to make it tolerable to some extent, it can only be a continued band-aid to keep evil from completely annhilating any good and taking over but not a real cure. and you get that feeling, evil is just right there barely underneath the surface or around the corner at any time. either way, you sense it's always close and even with the outward facade or civility of life, you can't take that for granted. i could imagine that there is a dimension or universe that is worse or complete evil and then keep further on the other end of the spectrum, much better places but it's far. i think we are closer to hell than to heaven on the spectrum, so to speak. this is why evil flourishes so well here, even to the point it's become symbiotic that evil can use good as a cover, even give it some respectability but it doesn't change what it is. if this place was good, all this mayhem and natural order of evil wouldn't keep happening or be as prevalent. this isn't just the world stage of politics and dicators/political upheaval but also on every physical and every level from disease to all the pain and suffering humans cause themselves and to others on a daily basis happening everywhere in the open to behind closed doors.

    this is a dangerous place and i feel less and less for it the older i get. it's peculiar as how on the deepest level don't feel this is my home at all. it's offensive to call this place my home when it has violated who i am and caused so much suffering. i feel my home is very far from here and it's like calling out an sos that barely matters because it's too far from here so i just deal with it.
     
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  7. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    You are the one in denial and I can prove it.

    Check the stats on death by all violent means and you will see how well we are doing.

    Or stay as blind as you are to facts.

    Regards
    DL
     
  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    you dont even get the point. death is not the worst thing to happen to the victim. life is dangerous, precarious and often miserable or harsh.
     
  9. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Again. Check the stats.

    Poverty, death by all means including war, slavery, poor education and medical needs.

    Al those stats are at the best per capita levels that we have ever enjoyed.

    Our glass is 3/4 full, if you check the stats.

    I challenge you to refute anything I have put with statistics.

    Regards
    DL
     
  10. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, one who will "protect" you, provided you pay him every week.
     
  11. birch Valued Senior Member

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    the only positive value of 'objectifying' and projecting satan is for study purposes to better understand the nature of things. it is kind of dishonest when people project evil as satan and separate from humanity when it's people who are the ones responsible for evil deeds. i would go as far as to say that any evil personfication such as demons etc are most likely produced from an actual person somehow.

    even the concept of god is unimportant in light of the fact that what is most sad and disturbing is evil exists at all and a place like this existence actually happens. that's what's truly disheartening, whether a god exists or not but especially if they did. that awful truth bothers me existentially more than anything. that horrible things exist is hitting the truth of a rock bottom that is absolutely awful that even an existence of god will not change or render this terrible truth non-existent. just have to face the truth how abjectly horrible existence or happenings can be and lifeforms can witness it here in this universe alone.

    the other real issues exist so an ultimate god becomes moot. for instance, the idea of heaven and hell where evil goes to hell to be further punished by evil is even unrealistic. we know this by how pervertedly unfair reality can be and that anything can happen, even the most unfair possible. in this universe, innocence and good is predated on foremost and since when does evil like to predate on evil? of course not and only when there are no other victims left. people like these 'fair' ideas because they wish it could be true, if not here, that someplace where correctness and sanity and fairness exists and is not something that can be manipulated, fails or where trickery and deceit work.

    some people also try to spread the idea that satan will torture evildoers in hell and that is where they will go after this existence but sadly, ethical justice has been proven by this universe and existence that is not necessarily a guarantee. the reason why is to try and get people to adhere to some form of ethical cause and effect/repercussions when in reality, the opposite effect can take place which is beneficial to one and there is no punishment except to the victim. that is the true nature of reality here. people do evil because they can and it benefits them and if they couldn't really get away with it, people first of all wouldn't have an evil nature in the first place as it wouldn't even be a part of nature or in existence itself.

    just as there are even good souls here who suffer and evil souls who may not, the idea that evil is after evil to take them to hell is backwards logic, as proven by this existence. if anything, it would be evil wanting to take good souls more than evil to hell if it existed beyond this universe as well. evil would be less interested in torturing it's own kind.

    this is why the most animalistic type people also have no problem believing in a god because nature is amoral.
     
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  12. birch Valued Senior Member

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    the truth is this existence is kind of insane overall. it really makes no real justifiable sense at all. like what the hell is this place? why? nature uses pain and fear of the unknown primarily as motivators to keep lifeforms blindly holding on and fighting for life. it is all just really kind of bizarre, if you honestly think about it. it's honestly not really that worth it.
     
  13. river Valued Senior Member

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    So what would make life worth it ?
     

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