# Why commit suicide?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Saint, Jul 8, 2011.

1. ### SaintValued Senior Member

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What happen to the mind of a person who commited suicide or "thinking of commiting suicide"?

How can he/she help himself/herself to get out from this predicament?

3. ### AsguardKiss my dark sideValued Senior Member

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depends, some do it as a delibrate choice to save someone else (diving on a grenade) or because there culture demands it (kamakazi pilots)

Some do it as a delibrate choice that the pain they are suffering is not going to improve and there quality of life is no longer worth living (terminal illness) and that they are ready to die

Most do it because of depression. Depression is a crushing mental illness, when i was at my worst i wished i could get angry just to feel SOMETHING, ANYTHING. Its like being in a grey landscape, forever. No up, no joy, exusted all the time. Suicide is how depression kills, just like a heart atack is how CVD kills

5. ### SaintValued Senior Member

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How to overcome depression?

7. ### AsguardKiss my dark sideValued Senior Member

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It depends, antidepressents are only a way to stabilise mood but its not a treatment in and of itself, its like CPR vs Defribulation for a heart attack. CBT is a treatment but its not easy. In extreem cases ECT maybe used

CBT and antidepressents are no good alone, they need to be used in conjuntion with eachother. There is a warning that everyone should know when dealing with depression. Motivation is one of the first things to go with depression and its one of the first to come back, therefore the most dangerious time with depression is actually when someone first recives treatment, especially antidepressents. They give the motivation back before they lift mood which means that suicidle plans which the person may not have been able to carry out all of a sudden get carried out. therefore a person should not be left alone for the first couple of weeks once they start treatment

8. ### chimpkinC'mon, get happy!Registered Senior Member

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For me, this as well. But I also despise myself, have intrusive thoughts of everything I have ever done wrong, ever, bite people's heads off, get furiously angry at the slightest thing, can't think straight, can't concentrate, lose stuff, and have panic attacks.

Am not only miserable, but am a giant ahole to anybody I come in contact with, necessitating pretty much quarantining myself, which makes me sicker.

Perception of time draws out. So I feel like I'm miserable even more.

I self-injure to get at my body's endorphins in order to actually not feel despair and agitation for at least a little while. Not where anybody can see it because I'm not jolly well doing it for attention-in fact I'm doing it to avoid drawing attention.

Because I find all this embarrassing and undignified.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=being-suicidal-what-it-feels-like-t-2010-10-20

My wife's why I didn't kill myself...because she put a lock on my pistol! Without telling me! The wench!
So blame her for me being here to annoy you...

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9. ### AsguardKiss my dark sideValued Senior Member

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yes i hate that term, "attention seeking", what a joke. Even if true what is so bad about seeking some attention. If someone feels they have to overdose on pills to get attention then they are oviously in distress, how dare people dismiss that pain as "attention seeking". Its the same with self harm.

Its all just the irrational stigma against mental illness, people are scared of the "mental" part and ignore the "illness", its no more there fault than any other illness

10. ### visceral_instinctMonkey see, monkey denigrateValued Senior Member

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With you. I'd much rather someone made hyperbolic attention seeking gestures than actually took their own life.

I hate people who dismiss those emotional problems as 'self indulgence'. Depression is no more an indulgence than a broken leg.

11. ### visceral_instinctMonkey see, monkey denigrateValued Senior Member

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Thanks! Will watch out for that one if anyone I know ever succumbs to depression...I've seen it mess people up and it's not pretty. I'd gladly give up some of my own time to watch over someone rather than have them take their own life...

12. ### chimpkinC'mon, get happy!Registered Senior Member

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Right!
Even if it IS attention seeking!
If somebody needs attention that fricking bad, you perhaps ought to give them some, and tell them if they want your attention in the future...to ASK.

Basically, if someone's doing bizarre stuff with the goal of getting attention... this is what I believe the scenario to be:

-they grew up in a dysfunctional family and never learned to regulate their emotions in a positive way.
-someone in their life, usually their dysfunctional parents, emotionally neglected them.
-the parents ignored the kid until the kid did something extreme and caused chaos in the family, at which point the parents paid attention and the distress was somewhat relieved
THEREFORE
The only method the adult raised in that environment knows to relieve distress is to cause chaos!

Taa-Daa! Makes sense, no?

13. ### AsguardKiss my dark sideValued Senior Member

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The other thing that irritates me is people saying "x is abusing the mental health system". How can someone possibly abuse the mental health system? Ambos call them "frequent flyers" and it drives me nut, mental health is a legitimate use of the health system

14. ### chimpkinC'mon, get happy!Registered Senior Member

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Well, my mom(Psych RN) sees what's called "bed and breakfast syndrome" where homeless people claim suicidality to get shelter for a few days.

But that's because we have homeless people here...I'm under the impression there's more public housing in Oz. I don't blame them myself...were I homeless, I might do it too.

Oh, she also gets "frequent flyers"...but hers are ones who are flaming schizophrenics or hard-to-stabilize mood disorders with psychotic symptoms

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15. ### AsguardKiss my dark sideValued Senior Member

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yea there is public housing but not nearly enough, however from my placements im yet to see any of that kind of case (it seems the health system has to step in whenever the community sector fails), but actual psych cases which the hospitals and ambos dismiss either because they dismiss psych cases compleatly or because the pts have already previously been treated and the treatements didnt work.

16. ### SaintValued Senior Member

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if a person hates to live in this world, what does it mean?

17. ### chimpkinC'mon, get happy!Registered Senior Member

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They are miserable.

18. ### BowserLife is Fatal.Valued Senior Member

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Depression. I met a guy who had once shot himself in the chest--you could see the agony of depression on his face. It's a mental trap from which there's no escape. If they are lucky, they will find professional help and get the right medication.

I know people who have lost loved ones to suicide. They didn't see it coming until it was too late.

19. ### SaintValued Senior Member

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Can religion help these type of people?

20. ### AsguardKiss my dark sideValued Senior Member

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my first instint is to laugh in your face right here but for other people reading this thread i will give this a serious answer. People suffering depression need PROFFESSIONAL help, they need CBT (in some form) and antidepressent medication. They do also need emotional surport from friends and family and especially partners (especially vital for men as there other surport structures tend to be more tenuas and culturally its harder for men to talk about depression). Now for some people some of this emotional surport may come from a church (which after all is just another group of people potentually willing to provide emotional surport) but the medical intervention is VITAL and cant be subsituted for 20 hail mary's. Furthermore churches can act as an inhibiting factor in seeking help (scientology leeps to mind)

21. ### BowserLife is Fatal.Valued Senior Member

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If they believe in spirituality, I think it could. But what about those who have nothing to cling to, no faith whatsoever? They are truly screwed. Alone.

22. ### wynn˙Valued Senior Member

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For one, I think that that for such a person, the usual means of finding happiness in this world (ie. eating, sleeping, mating and defending in their various forms) are not sufficient, and that society fails to provide wise options for people whose needs are more than just about eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

Moreover, society generally does not even affirm that seeking something more than the ordinary may be valid, and instead pathologizes the need for a pure happiness.

So when a person becomes deeply dissatisfied with the way life is usually lived, they are 1. taught to believe that there is something wrong with them, 2. they find themselves in the situation of being alone against everyone else.
For many people, this is more than they can handle.

In other times or other cultures, society more readily has provided options for people who want more from life than the way it is usually lived; notably, those were monasteries and other institutions where spiritual knowledge was pursued and practiced.

Prince Siddhartha's story is inspiring in this regard -

23. ### wynn˙Valued Senior Member

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Sometimes yes, other times no.