Why care about CO2?

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  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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  3. Confused2 Registered Senior Member

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    As long as the economy keeps growing your pension fund is safe. What could possibly go wrong? I guess nobody ever heard of a Ponzi Scheme.
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    From:
    "Why care about CO2?"
    to "oceans in a greenhouse"
    my how the goalposts do change.
    You obviously have a predetermined agenda.

    Why not just be honest from the beginning?

     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    or inflation
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    your lack of comprehention is not my lack of honesty.
    i will assign your response to the "having a bad day" catagory
     
  9. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    It might help if you avoided talking crap. What the hell is your - ostensibly - imbecile question about oceans in a greenhouse supposed to mean?

    If you talk in riddles you must expect some criticism.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    From "field" - imitating - studies at the U of Minn, the effects of extra CO2 on plants not protected and fertilized and so forth in a greenhouse start to become complicated at much lower levels than 1000 ppm. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/rising-co2-levels-might-not-be-good-plants-we-thought
     
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  11. Confused2 Registered Senior Member

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    I think RainbowSingularity is drawing attention to the difference between a closed system and an open system. In an open system the volume of atmosphere and ocean is infinite - any CO2 added to an open system will (by definition) be infinitely diluted.
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And gravity has no effect on CO2 concentration?
    https://www.quora.com/What-effect-does-gravity-have-on-CO2-molecules

    However in defense of the proposition of infinite dilution, it does in fact happen, but it is a local phenomenon at the center of antarctica.
    https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/carbon-dioxide-has-unexpected-effect-antarctica
     
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  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    closed systems with manually managed precipitation & hydration that can create generic hermitic seals to ensure forced Co2 levels without altering the entire greenhouse structure and supply is a fools game.
    pretending that plants act the same in the wild as they do inside a greenhouse for Co2 processing while ignoring the atmospheric changes that destroy the entire planet/greenhouse is rediculous and childish logic.

    it is no different to a child claiming who the best plastic superhero is then throwing the one they dont like into a fire and saying "look see it isnt a super hero because it burns"
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Burning coal to make CO2 into gasoline results in MORE CO2 in the atmosphere.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    More of Bangladesh disappears. All residents have to leave Tuvalu.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That was my first impression also, but they are not talking about coal but harvesting CO2 from the air. IOW, it is a scrubbing process.
    Trees and plants use airborne CO2 for energy and convert CO2 into oxygen in the process. Perhaps they have found a way to duplicate or replace the photosynthesis process.
    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...ioxide-into-oxygen-by-zapping-it-with-a-laser
     
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  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Unlikely, in the extreme.
    But:
    The guy (Brian McNoldy) whose measurements of sea levels nearby produced this graph: https://media.wired.com/photos/593280cc26780e6c04d2c4b3/master/w_700,c_limit/tide_data_Feb16.png
    thinks that a 2 meter rise in the sea level at Miami, Florida is more likely than not within 50 years. That's in the center of his prediction range.

    Note that the peak inundation increases are multiples of the average sea level increases - the storm surges and highest tides increase faster and more than the average level. So increases can make big problems far more rapidly than the less alarming slow creep of average levels suggests. If your hotel lobby floods a foot deep four times a year, and the septic system backs up into the street, it's not that meaningful to note that it isn't under water most of the time.
     
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  19. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Trump's Mar-a-lago: the new Atlantis.

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  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. A process that takes energy. That energy will come from coal and natural gas in the US, because that's where most of our energy comes from.
    They use LIGHT for energy, not CO2. Basic thermodynamics prevents CO2 from being used as a fuel.
     
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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, Mr Pruit is going to roll back EPA regulations on water pollution and car exhaust pollution.
    Has the US gone completely mad?
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope, it's just being used to profit a small group of wealthy investors.
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I can see that. Actually this is basically an expansion of the Halliburton Loophole.
    https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/n...ton-loophole-and-americas-dirty-fracking-boom

    But at what cost to society? IMO, this is an unconscionable act.
     

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