Why can we not say Water exist in 4 phases

Discussion in 'Chemistry' started by timojin, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    To make you and the Englishman glorious I washed dishes , removed waste baskets swept the counters .
    I did not say the particles compress the air. Think about a small cloud the cloud have a certain volume (A), with ( K) particles as the cloud bumps into a second cloud of volume (B)with ( L) particles the two might have a volume A + B or will have a volume ( A + B ) - x , if the volume (A+B)-x then there will be a increase in concentration and this will make the particles be closer to each other we have to keep in mind there is air in between which is expressed in certain atmospheric pressure. . As clouds accumulate more and more the density of particles will increase more and more and the spacing will decrease and some air molecules will be dissolved in the particle and a collapse in the system takes place were large drops of liquid of water will come down.
    Well you guys can have your model and I will keep mine unless come with some better de tails instead hand waving.
     
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Well paddoboy I have to hand it to you. You were right and he is a fraud. 17 yrs of working in a research lab and he has no science qualifications but just did the cleaning.

    That explains all this shite.

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  5. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I was suspicious of you I avoided to challenge you in some of your posts , not to embarrass you as a fellon chemist . I will keep cleaning your floor and clean your beakers .
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Obvious from his carryings on and refusal to accept the obvious scientific answer in other threads.
    Besides the fraud you mention, It's also the lack of genuine inquiry in the questions he asks. Notice how on the surface they are basically simplistic. IMHO he has his replies already to go: I've seen it elsewhere. It's called having an agenda.

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  8. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I would suggest you and your English exchmist to read and become more informed
    http://www.goes-r.gov/users/comet/tropical/textbook_2nd_edition/print_5.htm
     
  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Actually "fellon" chemist is rather good. Though in fact I have never done time

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  11. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    Too clever to get caught?
     
  12. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Why don't you identify in what area you have worked during your time in chemistry and we can see and discuss some work. I have initiate post in chemistry and other subject . So show your work in the chemical field you spent your time before you become exchemist.
     
  13. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I am retired and live comfortably based on my salary and education. so don't worry about me .
     
  14. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    But you're a complete twit! You've proved it, here. Why would I want to waste my time corresponding with a twit? Forget it.
     
  15. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    An honest man is transparent , so what does your statement tells about you ?

    Exchemist: we are hron up retired man and we are behaving yourself like children.
    I think we should approach a more rational behaviour . I am sure by exchanging ideas and views on this forum . it will reffrech and stimulate our past learned ideas and subject that we have learned.
    timojun.
     
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  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    An excellent idea. Why don't you start by reading up on condensation and rain formation.
     
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  17. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Please read my link on post # 85 which backs my points
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    If the link you are referring to is....
    http://www.goes-r.gov/users/comet/tropical/textbook_2nd_edition/print_5.htm
    Then it supports everything everyone has been trying to tell you.
    Which is basically the following.......
    In essence, and in an effort to simplistically minimise explanations as to why clouds form and why it rains, we can sum it up with three scientific principals of knowledge:
    EVAPORATION: The energy and heat from the Sun affects Oceans and bodies of water on Earth by evaporating some of it, governed by temperatures.
    CONDENSATION: The water vapour that has been evaporated, will in time condense into water droplets which form what we observe as clouds, based again on temperatures and pressures.
    PRECIPITATION: As the water vapour condenses into clouds and they become heavy, they literally fall as rain, again based on temperatures and pressures.
    Good to see you doing some science for a change, by standing on the shoulders of giants, not fabricating nonsense.
     
  19. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    From the beginning I never had any problem with that . The problem we got is the mechanism and the steps of the events. In other words I am well Familiar with EVAPORATION . I HAFE DISTILLED plenty of compound and condensation is part of the same process only in reverse ( Condensation ) Now in rain precipitation you have to reach certain relative humidity.
    The problem arose . Were it take place how the particles form . how they grow and what make them to grow.
     
  20. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    There is no problem.
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    They grow by condensation. Droplets act as nucleation sites for molecules to condense on. When the molecules contact the tiny droplet, they stick by surface tension, and release a tiny bit of heat.
     
  22. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Keeping in mind the temperature at the cloud area 2000 3000 meter is about 4 C at 4C the water have its highest density, which it is believed the structure of water is different than the surrounding water .
     
  23. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    If the Relative Humidity is at 100% and you add any more water vapor to that air then the gaseous water will condense to form liquid water. The water generally will condense around tiny dust particles in the air. The tiny water particles will combine and grow. The reason the particles will combine is because of the strong cohesive nature of water. You can see this effect in the meniscus in graduated cylinder. The cohesiveness of water can also be seen when astronauts in the ISS release a 'glob' of water, the water does not fall apart, it will stay in a general spherical ball. If another 'glob' of water is pushed to come in contact with the original glob of water they will combine.
    That is really all there is to it. It seems the only area of disagreement is that you believe there is a higher pressure with a larger number and size of the water dropplets and the science of meteorology disagrees. I don't wonder if this is more of an issue of definitions or language. The density of the water dropplets in the center of a cloud is generally higher than the outside edges - but the pressure is not higher.
     

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