Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by cluelusshusbund, Feb 28, 2014.
The very institute of moderation is an act of disrespect.
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For sake of argument... oK... but had you rather the moderation you receive not include smart-azz remarks.???
And instead prefer to just have my posts deleted without notice?
Yeah, that's more devilish, for sure.
So is willfully peeing on the someone else's carpet. Is it your position that I cannot, without breaching propriety, disinvite my guests who make a game out of peeing on my carpets ?
Would you also consider the action of arresting someone an act of disrespect? Or of instituting laws / social standards?
That sounds a lot like anarchism to me... and anarchy tends to end badly for all involved Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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Well, what do you expect, RP? You have carpet in the bathroom?
I think I'm doing alright.
Would you care to expand on that?
You aren't the only moderator. It would probably help if mods didn't moderate angrily, yet some do.
Good... but i intended my queston to be about all mods in general.!!!
"What do you thank about the idea of... all moderation done wit total respect... ie... no smart-azz replys to the person bein moderated.???"
Whats you'r answr to that.???
I know what was meant, but the answer is a bit obvious don't you think? Ofcourse I think all moderation should be done with respect.
If some mods don't I can't do anything about it. If you have issues with a particular mod you should straigthen it out with them. If that doesn't work talk to a supermod/admin.
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that there was something you could do about it. Don't you have a forum in which you could discuss this sort of thing with those moderators? Perhaps explain to them why moderating with civility and calm is better than provoking offending posters with threatening or insulting messages?
You think there are mods that don't know that?
Look. If anyone has a problem and I think they have a point, I will try to help them if they get stuck.
But at the end of the day I have no authority whatsoever over any mod. For that you'll have go to an admin.
Glad to hear it... i might run a poll to see how many mods agree with us.!!!
You miss the point again.
The problem isn't that there are mods who don't know their behavior is poor, it's that they have no pushback from within their own ranks. James said himself, when bans are given out, there is rarely any internal commenting. Maybe if you started addressing moderator misbehavior, others would find the confidence (interest?) to join you.
Yeah, when I start getting paid I'll start reviewing eveything every other mod does, ok? I have my own life going on here. I just moderate FT and ATM, other mods also have their own subfora to moderate.
There is a reason there are supermods and admins...
Anyway, enough of this. This isn't the thread for it. Clueluss is trying to decide whether or not its worth it to be a mod.
Are we the guests of the moderators?
Is Sciforums the living room in the house of the moderators? A living room in which posters are mostly uninvited and unwelcome guests?
It's not comparable.
Moderators are not instated by the same principles as legal authorities, nor are they subject to any scrutiny from the people they moderate.
Only if you posit that moderators in fact are moral and cognitive authorities, not just here at the forums, but universally, so that what they say really does matter in some substantial way.
Do you think that the moderators are moral and cognitive authorities?
If you don't, then what do you think about being censored by someone whom you regard as morally and cognitively inferior to yourself?
Surely you don't find you are being respected.
But maybe at a forum - any forum - such moderation of moderators is not even theoretically possible to begin with.
Moderation of forum moderation would possibly result in the collapse of a forum.
Social groups function by the principle of "Lead, follow, or get out of the way." Any discussion of the group's norms leads to the end of the group (in that the group either dissolves, or changes into something else).
The high horse that comes with being a moderator sure is a factor in being a moderator.
You don't think that hearing the views of existing mods, and how things are or aren't handled, is useful to hear for someone deciding whether or not its worth it?
I.e. your comments are almost certainly the exact sort of thing he would want to hear - how it is time consuming, how you concentrate on just your own subfora, how there is little peer-review between mods, that you leave such to the super-mods and admins etc. All gold for someone trying to decide whether its worth it or not.
Sure, but I've said what I had to say about it.
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