Why are only Americans interested in hunt for alien life?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Seattle, Dec 24, 2016.

  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I suspect it is question of a more limited science budget. Most countries don't have spare cash to throw around on something as speculative as this, when it is ranked (as it has to be) against all the other priorities.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    How so? We know life exists. We just have a small data set. The same can't be said for ghosts.
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    We have found the same amount of alien life than we have found of ghosts.
     
  8. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    We don't have the spare cash either. Some of those other countries have more for this than we do.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    We have found life. We know it exists. There is one extant example of it. Now we're just looking for a second data point.

    The same cannot be said for ghosts.
     
  10. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The most common definition of the word "ghost" is "the soul of a dead person." The most common definition of the word "soul" is "the spiritual part of a human." Then when we go looking for the definition of "spiritual," we find ourselves knee-deep in religious bullshit.

    In other words, to compare SETI to ghost detection is ridiculous. We KNOW that life exists in the natural universe, because we see it every day right here on our own planet. To suspect that it might exist elsewhere, in a universe with quadrillions of stars, any one of which might be orbited by a planet with living organisms, is hardly unreasonable--which of course is not the same thing as saying that it is TRUE.

    But we do NOT know that ghosts exist in the natural universe, because all of the references to ghosts have been passed down from Bronze Age fairytales, which are about as useful as a Ouija board.
     
  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I stand by my statement that the same argument could be used. I didn't stay that the two scenarios were the same.

    I too think that the universe is full of life, as I said, but we have no evidence of life outside of Earth and we have no evidence of ghosts so until we find life on one other planet the argument is the same as for ghosts. The probability for life is much,much higher than for ghosts but the evidence for life outside of life is the same as for ghosts...zero.

    I just don't think we are going to find that life (which I do think exists) with our current (and perhaps future) technology.
     
  12. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not comparing the probabilities here. I'm comparing the evidence between the two which is the same. No evidence for ghosts and no evidence for life outside of Earth and therefore the "argument" is the same. No one said the factual situation was the same.
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Isn't SETI now funded by private companies and public donations?
     
  14. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    Future technology
    Isn't this a bit like.. .Fred Flintstone can't receive radio waves with his flint axe, and so perhaps will not be receiving radio waves with his future technology? There goes electromagnetic communications.
    I acknowledge your ''perhaps''.
     
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  15. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, perhaps.

    Future technology still has to obey the laws of physics. It is possible that there is life and that two life forms will never be able to contact each other due to distances and due to intelligent life forms that could communicate not being concurrent with other intelligent life forms.
     
  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I think so. That's why I said other countries can afford it just as well as we can. They just don't think it's worth it nor do I. I don't mind that they are doing it just as I don't mind it when a wealthy person has gold plated faucets in the bathroom. It's just not important or necessary.

    There is never enough funding for everything even when it is privately funded. If it is privately funded money can be wasted on frivolous projects. I'm not saying categorically that this is frivolous but it's getting close. Certainly it would be at the bottom of the list of any list that was prioritized.
     
  17. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    Isn't that... Our present understanding of the laws of physics and the laws we currently know of ? Or... Our present stage of comprehending Nature is to make 'laws'.

    The distances may be an inconvenience for two way communications, but not for 'picking-up' a signal which indicates an intelligent origin/source. The aliens we can't communicate with may be the lucky ones.

    Spin-off Successes of SETI Research
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    And for student learning...
    Would you have these kind of spin-offs ghost hunting?
     
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  18. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, why wouldn't you?
     
  19. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    Is that... yes, you would have these sort of spin-offs hunting for ghosts?
    Give us a link to ghost hunting spin-offs matching those of SETI research.
     
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  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Spend the same money and research manpower on ghost hunting and you will have the same spin-offs since the spin-offs weren't based on actually finding anything.
     
  21. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    So no links? You think there are equal 'chances' of ghost detecting and alien signal detecting? Links please.
     
  22. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Check your TV guide

    Lots of ghost hunting spin off programs


    Humpty with a ghostly smile
     
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  23. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    You beat me to it...Entertainment
    Commercial Halloween.
     

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