Why Americans cannot discipline their children

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by arauca, Dec 22, 2012.

  1. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    @ arauca.
    My children are above the age you speak of, and my children were never latchkey kids. You obviously are getting your breastfeeding statistics confused with something you have done. My children do not swear although I never discouraged it, nor do they backtalk. Possibly because I am supportive of even their silliest of endeavours.

    Although you seem to prefer to make up your own statistics and research to suit your beliefs.
    from
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breastfeeding

    Managing a company with 7 figure income is not a great feat. I was production manager at a company that had equipment worth more than 7 figures each (bookbinder, Printing presses, Diecutters, etc.), and did not make a lot when I was that young (about $25/hr except I was salary so less). I was manager of 50 full time staff with a temp crew of 3-7 per shift. I attended University to become a Soil Engineer and worked at 2 Toronto companies doing that, but before then grew up in my dads printing company. I managed the largest bindery in Toronto and Bindery manager is supposed to be one of the most stressful jobs in the world. I made more with less stress simply running a print press. I can also make more than $100 on any given day cash simply from street performing magic/comedy, and am a decent website developer with strong PHP skills etc. I think I can accomplish anything I put my mind to and currently have 2 fiction novels in the works but am otherwise retired early, and like to research PSI as a hobby and side profession.

    Being accepted to medical school if true then is an accomplishment. Managing a company is not. My children behave extremely well and their early start in school was because their mother is an Asian "daycare" worker, although she now works for the regular school board. I myself am not Asian but perhaps picked up on Asian techniques because of her. When some kids were crying on their first day of school, my kids were the ones consoling them and teaching them that school could be fun. My children were social leaders because of their early access to preschools.

    If you want good kids get an Asian mom who works at a daycare and can bring her children to work starting at 3-4 months. I went out of my way to demonstrate Athletics and Literature to my children. I would carry a book even if I was not reading it just so they know me as always having a book. I have had several bike trailers over the years and have pedalled thousands of miles with my kids in the back.

    I don't even live in America. I am Canadian with a Chinese wife and mixed children. Some think Children with mixed parentage can be smarter according to studies. I have a very smart pure-bred dog, but I find a good rule of thumb is mixed breeds are smarter than pure-breds and I think the same is true of humans. Statistics have been presented to argue for and against, but geneticists do seem to favour the mixed child debate. My children have a lot of advantages going in. The only professional choices I hope they will make is to choose a profession that will be here in 60 years. Accounting/ Printing are examples of bad careers, and even bus drivers will be automated by then.
     
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  3. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    You sound like you did an amazingly great job with your children. I think having your wife work at a daycare (as much as I hate their proliferation into our culture - 6 weeks?! So sad....) was almost ideal as this gave your children play groups AND their mother. Really great. And the idea of carrying a book is excellent. Very intuitive. Children are to my mind, among other things, little Universality machines (they're natural Kantian philosophers

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    and mimics. Want your children to treat yourself and others with respect - just do that. If you notice they don't, well, that says something about yourself. I think this is the REAL reason why people hit their children. They can't stand the reflection.
     
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  5. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    I think I am a great dad as well. Another example is I bought all of my children Ukuleles. Anyone can play a song such as row, row, row, your boat within minutes with this 4 stringed instrument. Most people are intimidated by instruments and don't realize that 1000's of songs are only 2 or 3 chords. If you learn a few simple chords on any instrument you can play.

    A good starter Ukulele sells for about $40 new.

    I am very happy I can play, and wanted to instil this into my children as well.

    Watch this video to see how easy it is...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc5pzd6s8FE

    Same 2-3 chords apply to any instruments. Picking is too fancy for beginners. In the old days they would spend years teaching you to pick, but without any sense of accomplishment s lose interest. Chords first.

    Here is a song you can teach kids with 1 chord. There are also no chord songs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCHUjMpeqtU

    My children have graduated to other instruments as well using the same easy knowledge of chords. I use a Uke or keyboard/piano.

    There is also a Banjo Uke as the two are similar, if you like a banjo sound.

    The book carrying idea was also successful. I'd often do an absent minded "I'm forgetting something?"; as I left the house, and they would say "Your book". I wish I could say I kept it up, but nowadays books are antiquated. My goal is to have a book in print (not ebook) so I'd better hurry.

    p.s. My wife is very loving, but not a great scientist. It caused an argument between us when I told her all the stars were distant suns.

    It is fun when they branch off into interesting areas of learning. My elder son bought the Steve Jobs Biography a year or so ago, and it wasn't something I would read. Although I have seen "Pirates of Silicon Valley" movie beforehand and already knew the long Saga of how Bill Gates sold absolutely nothing (He CLAIMED to have a "Disc Operating System/DOS", but he had NOTHING. He also had IBM pen an agreement that MICROSOFT was to retain rights to the SOFTWARE AND DRIVE SYSTEM, and also had NOTHING at the time the deal was done. They then piled in a car and drove to some guy in some state that claimed to have a working operating system and offered him $50000 for it. The guy signs over his rights for that price and microsoft was born.

    It was xerox who actually developed windows first, but then IBM made Microsoft "evaluate" xerox software, and they copied it all and changed it a bit and called it their own. Apple was doing the same thing, and Bill gates formed an Evil friendship with Steve Jobs. Microsoft had pure access to all IBM computers being sold, and so it was his inferior version of windows that beat out the betamax version. Steve Jobs drove his employees to the max, and basically tortured them, encouraging marathon work sessions like 30+ hours straight. Steve Jobs abused his girlfriend, and despite his wealth ignored his daughter for the first six years of her life, and then he used his wealth to take custody. Steve Jobs was an ass. He sure did come up with some great new technologies though.

    gonna turn this into history thread... It is something everyone should see.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfgRf2A0Tc
     
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  7. arauca Banned Banned

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    How long are you married and how old are your children if you don't mind
     
  8. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    B.S. I can and I will. I will "straighten out" my "kid" the way I want to. And they better Respect MY ATHOR-IT-TIE
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The US jails are full of kids who were physically "disciplined" and coerced to show "respect" by their parents, forced to show deference to "authority" by their school administrations, etc. So are the benches at the temp agencies, the stages at the strip joints, the corners in the drug dealing neighborhoods, and the homeless shelters.

    So you loves you some free market capitalism, but not the day care the working mother is forced to resort to to keep her job, eh?

    There are modern industrial states that mandate better behavior by corporations - child care leave, support for the mother, etc - but that is of course a product of socialist ideology.
     
  10. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    No you won't.
     
  11. arauca Banned Banned

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    I see you have not been in other place in the world but USA
     
  12. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    sure see how far that "authoritarian" regime goes.
     
  13. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    @ arauca,
    The moderators have kept this thread going despite it being a repeat thread on the same subjects.

    Are you simply going to keep openning new threads until you word the OP just right so people will agree with your medieval child rearing practices.

    Your children have obviously lost respect for you based on your abundant postings on this matter, so it is obvious your method has its problems. Maybe you were simply ignorant when you first went down the path of abusing your children, but where did you draw the line. Did your children need repeated torture, or were they "okay" after being hit by the one person they thought they could depend on? After being hit by the person who is supposed to be their caregiver? Where do you draw the line?

    How many adults are capable of making rational measured punishments when their 52" Plasma has just been destroyed by a five year old? What if you are just the "step dad"?

    Todays computer age is tough on marriages. You likely pass more people in an average day now than you would in a lifetime 500 years ago, and with this advanced social interaction comes adultery/divorces/and more problems in relationships and marriages. Should step-parents be allowed to beat children they might not give a damn about?

    Where do you draw the line?

    Was the amount of abuse you dealt the exact perfect amount?

    Would you be abusive if you could relive your life?

    I challenge this statement from the article you quoted in the OP. Babies require constant supervision by someone, and if the mother is doing this in some grand mansion where there is a separate wing they can hide from the father, then the husband is also only spending 37 seconds interactig with his wife as well until bedtime. The statistic does not make sense. Are they saying these Boston families do not eat together? Are they saying these Boston Families don't have men who care about their children? It really is insane.

    For that statement to be remotely true they would need to include only divorced dads, who are denied access to their kids.

    Pravda seems to be written by distinct amateurs, often on the level of 6th grade writing. And almost every article written deems the US as evil... yet the US remains a powerhouse in international affairs. Do (the) Russian readers of Pravda actually believe what Pravda prints? Are (the) Russian people capable of thought outside those of the motherland?

    You think other countries don't have crime? If someone does not leave the U.S. it might have to do with horrendous crime statistics in the country they were thinking of.

    America does not lead the way in violent crime

    1 Guatemala 74.9 65 Nicaragua 12.4 129 Oman 2.0
    2 Cote d Ivoire 62.5 66 Turkmenistan 12.1 130 South Korea 2.0
    3 El Salvador 57.3 67 Mali 12.0 131 Tuvalu 2.0
    4 Jamaica 52.9 68 Togo 11.7 132 Cook Islands 1.9
    5 Swaziland 49.1 69 Barbados 11.4 133 Azerbaijan 1.9
    6 Zambia 48.1 70 Madagascar 10.7 134 Serbia/Monten 1.9
    7 Uganda 47.2 71 Senegal 10.6 135 Hungary 1.8
    8 Colombia 44.8 72 Costa Rica 10.5 136 Lebanon 1.8
    9 Venezuela 44.7 73 Nepal 10.4 137 Belgium 1.8
    10 Malawi 44.5 74 Myanmar 10.2 138 Grenada 1.7
    11 Congo 38.9 75 Thailand 9.6 139 Viet Nam 1.6
    12 Mozambique 36.9 76 Timor-Leste 9.4 140 Canada 1.6
    13 Central Africa 35.1 77 Bangladesh 9.1 141 Croatia 1.6
    14 Ethiopia 32.1 78 Indonesia 8.8 142 China 1.5
    15 Namibia 31.7 79 Suriname 8.4 143 Portugal 1.5
    16 Tanzania 31.5 80 Kyrgyzstan 7.6 144 Niue 1.5
    17 South Africa 29.1 81 Algeria 7.5 145 Iran 1.5
    18 Rep Of Congo 28.9 82 Georgia 7.4 146 Czech Republic 1.4
    19 Brazil 28.5 83 Moldova 7.3 147 New Zealand 1.4
    20 Lesotho 27.5 84 Estonia 7.2 148 Slovakia 1.3
    21 Trinidad/Tob. 26.5 85 Latvia 7.1 149 Luxembourg 1.3
    22 Sudan 26.4 86 Ukraine 7.0 150 Cyprus 1.3
    23 Burundi 25.9 87 Lithuania 6.9 151 France 1.3
    24 Kenya 25.8 88 Belarus 6.8 152 Poland 1.3
    25 Botswana 25.3 89 Chile 6.8 153 Australia 1.3
    26 Guinea 25.3 90 Kiribati 6.8 154 Bosnia/Herzeg 1.2
    27 Honduras 24.2 91 Jordan 6.6 155 Greece 1.2
    28 Equ. Guinea 24.2 92 United States 6.5 156 Kuwait 1.2
    29 Guyana 23.6 93 Argentina 6.2 157 Palau 1.2
    30 Angola 23.1 94 Niger 6.0 158 Ireland 1.2
    31 Burkina Faso 22.7 95 Haiti 6.0 159 Tunisia 1.2
    32 Cambodia 22.6 96 Bhutan 6.0 160 United Kingdom 1.1
    33 Guinea-Bissau 22.6 97 Laos 5.9 161 Italy 1.1
    34 Eritrea 22.4 98 Uruguay 5.5 162 Monaco 1.1
    35 Cameroon 22.3 99 Pakistan 5.0 163 Micronesia 1.0
    36 Rwanda 21.8 100 India 4.8 164 Samoa 1.0
    37 St. Kitts 21.8 101 Albania 4.7 165 Spain 0.9
    38 Ecuador 21.7 102 Israel 4.6 166 Morocco 0.9
    39 Panama 21.5 103 Armenia 4.5 167 Netherlands 0.9
    40 Philippines 21.5 104 Cuba 4.4 168 Tonga 0.9
    41 Saint Lucia 20.8 105 Mauritius 4.1 169 Sweden 0.9
    42 Belize 20.6 106 Uzbekistan 3.9 170 Fiji 0.9
    43 Chad 19.8 107 Bolivia 3.7 171 Somalia 0.9
    44 Ghana 18.5 108 Mongolia 3.7 172 Singapore 0.8
    45 Mexico 18.2 109 Djibouti 3.6 173 Solomon Isl. 0.8
    46 Sierra Leone 18.0 110 Sri Lanka 3.2 174 Denmark 0.8
    47 Saint Vincent 17.8 111 Peru 3.0 175 Vanuatu 0.8
    48 Benin 17.8 112 Seychelles 3.0 176 Germany 0.7
    49 Kazakhstan 16.9 113 Libya 3.0 177 Slovenia 0.7
    50 Zimbabwe 16.9 114 Dominica 2.9 178 Switzerland 0.7
    51 Mauritania 16.8 115 Syria 2.8 179 Andorra 0.7
    52 New Guinea 16.5 116 Turkey 2.8 180 Norway 0.6
    53 Russia 16.2 117 Iraq 2.8 181 Malta 0.6
    54 Bahamas 15.3 118 Saudi Arabia 2.8 182 Egypt 0.6
    55 Gabon 15.2 119 Afghanistan 2.8 183 Qatar 0.6
    56 Nigeria 14.9 120 Yemen 2.6 184 Austria 0.5
    57 Cape Verde 14.9 121 Yugoslavia 2.6 185 Iceland 0.5
    58 Nauru 14.6 122 Malaysia 2.5 186 Arab Emirates 0.5
    59 North Korea 14.5 123 Marshall Isl. 2.5 187 Japan 0.4
    60 Comoros 14.5 124 Sao Tome 2.4 188 Maldives 0.4
    61 Paraguay 13.2 125 Antigua/Bar. 2.4 189 Brunei 0.2
    62 Gambia 12.9 126 Finland 2.2 190 Tajikistan 0.1
    63 Dominican Rep 12.9 127 Bulgaria 2.2 191 San Marino 0.0
    64 Liberia 12.5 128 Romania 2.2 192 Bahrain 0.0


    The United States is 92 on that list mostly because of lack of gun laws, and not because of child rearing.

    LATIN (You're Latin) America is the worst place to live according to the violence. Africa is a close second.
    http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/violence/by-country/

    My country is 140 on the list by the way, and the only thing that makes us safer is better gun control, and perhaps a higher Intelligence Quotient (sounds good to me).

    This line is worth repeating

    Maybe more than once

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    http://www.nospank.net/bakan2.htm

    You must learn from the mistakes of others, as life is too short to make them all yourself.
     
  14. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    @ arauca,
    The moderators have kept this thread going despite it being a repeat thread on the same subjects.

    Are you simply going to keep openning new threads until you word the OP just right so people will agree with your medieval child rearing practices.

    Your children have obviously lost respect for you based on your abundant postings on this matter, so it is obvious your method has its problems. Maybe you were simply ignorant when you first went down the path of abusing your children, but where did you draw the line. Did your children need repeated torture, or were they "okay" after being hit by the one person they thought they could depend on? After being hit by the person who is supposed to be their caregiver? Where do you draw the line?

    How many adults are capable of making rational measured punishments when their 52" Plasma has just been destroyed by a five year old? What if you are just the "step dad"?

    Todays computer age is tough on marriages. You likely pass more people in an average day now than you would in a lifetime 500 years ago, and with this advanced social interaction comes adultery/divorces/and more problems in relationships and marriages. Should step-parents be allowed to beat children they might not give a damn about?

    Where do you draw the line?

    Was the amount of abuse you dealt the exact perfect amount?

    Would you be abusive if you could relive your life?

    I challenge this statement from the article you quoted in the OP. Babies require constant supervision by someone, and if the mother is doing this in some grand mansion where there is a separate wing they can hide from the father, then the husband is also only spending 37 seconds interactig with his wife as well until bedtime. The statistic does not make sense. Are they saying these Boston families do not eat together? Are they saying these Boston Families don't have men who care about their children? It really is insane.

    For that statement to be remotely true they would need to include only divorced dads, who are denied access to their kids.

    Pravda seems to be written by distinct amateurs, often on the level of 6th grade writing. And almost every article written deems the US as evil... yet the US remains a powerhouse in international affairs. Do (the) Russian readers of Pravda actually believe what Pravda prints? Are (the) Russian people capable of thought outside those of the motherland?

    You think other countries don't have crime? If someone does not leave the U.S. it might have to do with horrendous crime statistics in the country they were thinking of.

    America does not lead the way in violent crime

    1 Guatemala 74.9 65 Nicaragua 12.4 129 Oman 2.0
    2 Cote d Ivoire 62.5 66 Turkmenistan 12.1 130 South Korea 2.0
    3 El Salvador 57.3 67 Mali 12.0 131 Tuvalu 2.0
    4 Jamaica 52.9 68 Togo 11.7 132 Cook Islands 1.9
    5 Swaziland 49.1 69 Barbados 11.4 133 Azerbaijan 1.9
    6 Zambia 48.1 70 Madagascar 10.7 134 Serbia/Monten 1.9
    7 Uganda 47.2 71 Senegal 10.6 135 Hungary 1.8
    8 Colombia 44.8 72 Costa Rica 10.5 136 Lebanon 1.8
    9 Venezuela 44.7 73 Nepal 10.4 137 Belgium 1.8
    10 Malawi 44.5 74 Myanmar 10.2 138 Grenada 1.7
    11 Congo 38.9 75 Thailand 9.6 139 Viet Nam 1.6
    12 Mozambique 36.9 76 Timor-Leste 9.4 140 Canada 1.6
    13 Central Africa 35.1 77 Bangladesh 9.1 141 Croatia 1.6
    14 Ethiopia 32.1 78 Indonesia 8.8 142 China 1.5
    15 Namibia 31.7 79 Suriname 8.4 143 Portugal 1.5
    16 Tanzania 31.5 80 Kyrgyzstan 7.6 144 Niue 1.5
    17 South Africa 29.1 81 Algeria 7.5 145 Iran 1.5
    18 Rep Of Congo 28.9 82 Georgia 7.4 146 Czech Republic 1.4
    19 Brazil 28.5 83 Moldova 7.3 147 New Zealand 1.4
    20 Lesotho 27.5 84 Estonia 7.2 148 Slovakia 1.3
    21 Trinidad/Tob. 26.5 85 Latvia 7.1 149 Luxembourg 1.3
    22 Sudan 26.4 86 Ukraine 7.0 150 Cyprus 1.3
    23 Burundi 25.9 87 Lithuania 6.9 151 France 1.3
    24 Kenya 25.8 88 Belarus 6.8 152 Poland 1.3
    25 Botswana 25.3 89 Chile 6.8 153 Australia 1.3
    26 Guinea 25.3 90 Kiribati 6.8 154 Bosnia/Herzeg 1.2
    27 Honduras 24.2 91 Jordan 6.6 155 Greece 1.2
    28 Equ. Guinea 24.2 92 United States 6.5 156 Kuwait 1.2
    29 Guyana 23.6 93 Argentina 6.2 157 Palau 1.2
    30 Angola 23.1 94 Niger 6.0 158 Ireland 1.2
    31 Burkina Faso 22.7 95 Haiti 6.0 159 Tunisia 1.2
    32 Cambodia 22.6 96 Bhutan 6.0 160 United Kingdom 1.1
    33 Guinea-Bissau 22.6 97 Laos 5.9 161 Italy 1.1
    34 Eritrea 22.4 98 Uruguay 5.5 162 Monaco 1.1
    35 Cameroon 22.3 99 Pakistan 5.0 163 Micronesia 1.0
    36 Rwanda 21.8 100 India 4.8 164 Samoa 1.0
    37 St. Kitts 21.8 101 Albania 4.7 165 Spain 0.9
    38 Ecuador 21.7 102 Israel 4.6 166 Morocco 0.9
    39 Panama 21.5 103 Armenia 4.5 167 Netherlands 0.9
    40 Philippines 21.5 104 Cuba 4.4 168 Tonga 0.9
    41 Saint Lucia 20.8 105 Mauritius 4.1 169 Sweden 0.9
    42 Belize 20.6 106 Uzbekistan 3.9 170 Fiji 0.9
    43 Chad 19.8 107 Bolivia 3.7 171 Somalia 0.9
    44 Ghana 18.5 108 Mongolia 3.7 172 Singapore 0.8
    45 Mexico 18.2 109 Djibouti 3.6 173 Solomon Isl. 0.8
    46 Sierra Leone 18.0 110 Sri Lanka 3.2 174 Denmark 0.8
    47 Saint Vincent 17.8 111 Peru 3.0 175 Vanuatu 0.8
    48 Benin 17.8 112 Seychelles 3.0 176 Germany 0.7
    49 Kazakhstan 16.9 113 Libya 3.0 177 Slovenia 0.7
    50 Zimbabwe 16.9 114 Dominica 2.9 178 Switzerland 0.7
    51 Mauritania 16.8 115 Syria 2.8 179 Andorra 0.7
    52 New Guinea 16.5 116 Turkey 2.8 180 Norway 0.6
    53 Russia 16.2 117 Iraq 2.8 181 Malta 0.6
    54 Bahamas 15.3 118 Saudi Arabia 2.8 182 Egypt 0.6
    55 Gabon 15.2 119 Afghanistan 2.8 183 Qatar 0.6
    56 Nigeria 14.9 120 Yemen 2.6 184 Austria 0.5
    57 Cape Verde 14.9 121 Yugoslavia 2.6 185 Iceland 0.5
    58 Nauru 14.6 122 Malaysia 2.5 186 Arab Emirates 0.5
    59 North Korea 14.5 123 Marshall Isl. 2.5 187 Japan 0.4
    60 Comoros 14.5 124 Sao Tome 2.4 188 Maldives 0.4
    61 Paraguay 13.2 125 Antigua/Bar. 2.4 189 Brunei 0.2
    62 Gambia 12.9 126 Finland 2.2 190 Tajikistan 0.1
    63 Dominican Rep 12.9 127 Bulgaria 2.2 191 San Marino 0.0
    64 Liberia 12.5 128 Romania 2.2 192 Bahrain 0.0


    The United States is 92 on that list mostly because of lack of gun laws, and not because of child rearing.

    LATIN (You're Latin) America is the worst place to live according to the violence. Africa is a close second.
    http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/violence/by-country/

    My country is 140 on the list by the way, and the only thing that makes us safer is better gun control, and perhaps a higher Intelligence Quotient (sounds good to me).

    This line is worth repeating

    Maybe more than once

    from
    http://www.nospank.net/bakan2.htm

    You must learn from the mistakes of others, as life is too short to make them all yourself.


    You can attempt to "validate" your wrong beliefs about child abuse (raising children according to you), but we can point to study after study that shows validating violence as a form of persuasion hurts society as well as the child. There are currently anti-bullying campaigns across North America aimed at children who are raised by people like you claim to be.

    Choose any country (even Latin), and I will find you a study from that country showing Child Abuse is bad for the kids.

    Here is a study from Brazil, is that Latin enough?
    http://www.endcorporalpunishment.org/pages/research/children/brazil.html



    Name any country? Spanking is ridiculous, and against common sense. If I can highly train my dog without beating it, then most people should be abe to manage a small child.

    Have you ever told your kids you love them, or is emotional abuse also part of your inspired Latin Child rearing techniques you claim are so superior?

    Every trip to a mall is bound to see some kid in a tantrum. Just because there are many great parents in the U.S.A. home to terms like "soccer moms", there is also some idotic parents who don't grasp any child rearing methods and simply fail. It is a shame some people are allowed to have kids.

    I never used the term "terrible twos", or at least not without doubting it. Two is a fantastic age, and I wish I could relive my childs younger years often.

    Go ahead and start another Thread on this topic if that is your choice, but it will never validate your child rearing mistakes.

    What is your policy on successfull marriages?
    Do you love and respect one another, or is the odd backhand necessary to control the ass? What's the difference?
     
  15. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Totally agree.

    We do NOT live in a free market capitalistic world. Ours is a regulated Fascist society with small overtones of the free market.

    I just bought a new super computer that fits in my pocket for $245. When out and about I can connect to the Internet for free in many places, cafe's, malls, other semi-free market regulated enclaves that still manage to eek out an existence in a factious society. With this super computer I can access almost all information in the existence. I can learn any language. I can work. I can create. I can talk to anyone via video for FREE. That is the free market.

    The free market Is win-win trades and when added together we get a cheap supercomputer as I have.
    The regulated market, is rent seeking, win-lose where citizens now are legally barred from gainful employment unless qualified by the State. Could you imagine what the Internet would be like if you we're not allowed to program unless you have a attended a State sanctioned Programming institute that only accepted few hundred applicants at year? Well, that is our entire medical practice. Hell you'd be lucky to TALK to a specialist for some information for $245 for 30 minutes.

    See the difference?


    When you add up the billions of Win-Win trades that would occur in a true free-market no woman would have to see herself on a stage to make ends meet - UNLIKE to day where many mothers sell sex just to feed their children. I and many others (yourself included) maintain that peaceful moot violent parenting is essential for a prosperous moral virtuous society. Imagine such people living in a free market voluntary Capitalistic win-win economy.
     
  16. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Duplicate post
     
  17. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    This reminded me of a case in Sydney taught in the medical school. It was based on a young woman who brought in her 6 week infant as it was failing to thrive. The infant was bleeding from mouth to anus. Upon a History the cause was determined to be improper feeding. The mother was feeding her infant the exact same food she herself was eating. Australia probably has one the most resourced perinatal and postnatal care in the world and so I'm not quite she how, but she slipped her fat arse through a crack. SHe was feeding her infant KFC mashed potatoes and Coka-Cola and at home - Orange fizzy drink. The baby was ulcered from mouth and throat through the entire digestive track and anus.

    It is a shame some people are allowed to have kids.

    It's taken 40 years of Progressive polices but we now live in a society were family has been superseded by the State.

    I recently read about a man who was visiting houses in the hurricane hit North East. He recounted a story through tears of a woman who, after putting a gun in his face, let him into her house. In order to get the government issued check he had to check list her baby. He said was led through garbage to a closed room in an upper floor room where he saw a small infant lying naked on a pile of trash smeered in its own faeces half starved. The "mother" saiid you've seen it now give me my money. Again, another product of 40 years of the State playing daddy. It's little wonder the inner cities are violent shit holes, and that's if a child is lucky enough to survive their parenting. He reported her an many others like her to the authorities - he was told there was little that would be done.

    The State can not replace the Family or the private social institutions that stand as the pillars of society. Regardless of how people wish it could. If we want children raised peacefully, I think a first step in the USA is to pass laws that extend to children at a bare minimum the same rights as our pet dogs.
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You're a mooch. Other people pay your way, including women who have to put their kids in day care to keep their jobs in the corporate capitalism you think is so great.

    The single entity most destructive to families in the modern world has been the industrial capitalist corporation.
     
  19. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    @ Michael,
    I saw a friend lose her son because he got a black eye from a baseball. I am very concerned about "Childrens Aid" powers. My wife had mentioned to a counselor that I had yelled at her before, and Childrens Aid scheduled an appointment with me. They basically told me that if my wife was carrying the baby and I yelled at her she could drop the baby and that was their concern.
    SERIOUSLY!
    I drove out of my way at the end of a workday to listen to that?
    I told the lady to get real, and find something useful to do with her time. I think I said it in more colourful terms as I was quite peeved.

    I do have a built in "bullshit" meter despite my reputation for woo, and find the story you quoted to be on that list. A woman whos child is covered in feces might think to get the child and bring it to the door, and that is overly bad parenting.
    I think a more likely scenario is the woman was attractive and would not give into the overtures of the all powerful Childrens Aid worker who then seized her children for sport. I could see this revised version happening more often than the original version.

    If a kid is in a smelly diaper I could claim he was covered in feces. I have a distrust of human nature. The man had made an application to remove the child from its home. Everyone embellishes their reports to favor their decisions. Just saying he was seizing the baby because the mom was rude to him (gun to face), might not look good come promotion time, although the tears was a nice touch.
     
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    You have it almost completely backwards. The Capital that is saved makes life better and more prosperous for everyone. The problem is, we have a government that likes spending trillions more Capital then we have or are able to repay in three generations. Mostly on Warfare and Medicaid/Medicare and SSI.

    Think about Sony. Sony is a Japanese company - is SONY putting women into a position whereby they have to put their children in daycare? Care to explain how THAT is possible? As a matter of fact, you provide no rational and provide no evidence of how Apple, Sony, Google, GM, Ford, FedEx, Walmart, Target, Disney, etc.... How are these companies are putting women in a position whereby they have to send their children to daycare.

    Do explain the economics.

    Also Where is the family? Why isn't grandma and grandpa helping watch the kids? Where is the husband? What of community support? Explain to me where ALL of the private institutions have gone to over the last 40 years of so-called "Progressive" policies? I'm in Japan right now, fewer people here put their children in daycare and mothers generally stay at home with their children or grandparents watch their children if they have to work. WHY is it they still have a culture of family is first? That said, life in Japan is changing in the SAME way as in the USA. People are starting to use daycare more As mothers want to live away from home for "independence" and have to work to pay for that lifestyle.

    Must the fault of Sony and Toyota? Not the 200% GDP debt the government racked up saving all their headliner corporations after The Bubble. Many of whom are moving operations to China. not the customers who buy made in China. Not the mothers who want to live away from home but have a husband that can't afford for them to do so at this time so both must work.
     
  21. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    A) A calling me a mooch is a joke, I work my arse off and I care deeply about doing more than what is acceptable. I generally work through my vacation and this one will be no different. It's also not a logical argument but an ad hominid.

    B) The appeal for emotion is no logical either

    C) Do you even realise how horrible life was for women prior to Capitalism?

    D) Corporatism is a problem - that has nothing to do with Capitalism and is a legality problem.
     
  22. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Im typing on an iPad and so I didn't go into the whole story. In short she was a Crack addict along with most people in this neighbourhood. According to the author. Obviously his telling of the situation was more detailed but I've been in these sorts if "houses" myself. my brothers live in such a neighbourhood. I almost had my face shot off just for walking into a living room with an ungodly amount of drugs and cash sitting on a the table. Gun was right in my face. I mean right in my face. most scared I have ever been in my life and ive had guns pointed at more more than twice, I just so happened to have known their "Heavy" as a kid. almost a complete coincidence as I hadn't seen him since I wAs 12ish He offered to knock someone down for me $800 I said I think about it and got the F out of there as soon as I was able to. Given he knew where my mother lived they didn't worry too much (although he did drop by the house to say HI go my mom later in the week).

    I know those places, they suck, I have no doubt what he was describing was true.
     
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    Hey, you're the guy bragging about all the free internet access he gets - even calling it "free market". I'm one of the guys who paid and pays for it - you know, taxes and stuff.

    Says the guy with the stories of feces covered babies and the habit of typing in caps.

    You mean prior to socialism, right? Because the days of capitalistic plantation slavery and the "dark, satanic mills" were some of the worst times for women, in particular, we have on record.

    The industrial corporation, its formation and "legality problem", has nothing to do with Capitalism, according to Michael.

    Let's keep that on the record.
     

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