why always bad?

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by cato, Sep 5, 2005.

  1. cato less hate, more science Registered Senior Member

    I was just wondering if anyone could explain to me why global warming always makes things worse and less stable. is there a possibility of global warming putting an end to super storm or having good effect? I have heard that water from the pacific could spill into the Atlantic, cooling the Atlantic. well, hurricanes get stronger when they pass warm water, so, wouldn't it help to be cooler?

    basically, I just see all the doomsday "science" reported by the media and think that perhaps I am not getting the whole story.
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  3. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

    Personally I prefer a colder climate (feels better), so I don't welcome global warming.
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  5. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

    NYC is hot enough as it is, thank you very much, and it's not even that close to the equator. Most of the grass in my neighborhood was burned for more than half of the summer this year. I prefer cooler weather, too.
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  7. cato less hate, more science Registered Senior Member

    actually, they say that global warming could stop the golf stream, which would mean cooler weather for NYC, and much cooler weather for Europe.

    however, my question was more geared towards hurricanes, and whether or not they would really get worse or is that was just media hype.
  8. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

    Warmer water farther north. Could hurricanes start forming in more northern latitudes? Perhaps off the Pacific coast of North America where the water is currently just too cold to form one?
  9. guthrie paradox generator Registered Senior Member

    LIke everything else, "bad" is relative. Global warming is going to be bad relative to now, because it leads to:

    -A rise in sea level, meaning low lying cities get flooded.
    - More energy into certain storm systems meaning some areas will have nastier storms.
    - changes in flow of ocean waters, with what consequences it isnt exactly clear. Though it looks like the gulf stream wont shut off, just weaken a bit.
    - migration of fish stocks to higher latitudes.
    - migration of animals and plants to higher latitutes where its cooler. This might not matter, except that humans have built cities where said animals would like to live, or else the continent ends at just that point, meaning the animal goes extinct in that part of the world.
    - food growing areas will be adversely affected. For example, if it leads to more heatwaves in central europe, France will be unable to grow as much wheat as is usually does, thus causing shortages.

    And so on. It is bad only in so far as it will force adaptations to our current way of doing things.
  10. cato less hate, more science Registered Senior Member

    how do they know storms will get stronger? its seems to me that could only be a guess, as it is incredibly hard to predict the weather globally.

    why would the sea level necessarily rise a dangerous amount? if the gulf stream weakens, then that means less warm water will reach high latitudes, less warmth means less melting.

    yes plants and animals might have problems adapting to a warmer environment, but that kind of thing has been happening for millions of years.

    it seems to me that people get a little too "doomsday" about global warming while nobody can really tell what the full extent of the environmental damage could be.
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2005
  11. ck27 Registered Senior Member

    Well I am very optimistic on global warming and i do not think it will lead to any mass extinction or any doomsday like that. Their is no reason to think that humans shoving a little to much crap into the air is gonna throw the earth way off balance i mean if earth can survive huge asteroids and volcanoes going off im sure it can handle us. I think what we will most likely see is a cut of warm current heading up to the poles which will throw the earth back into coolsville.
  12. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

    I think it is better to overreact than not to react at all
    just imho
  13. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

    Unless the overreaction causes more harm than total inaction would.
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    But "harm" to what?
  15. devils_reject Registered Senior Member

    In my deepest soul I have always thought global warming was a propaganda to exploit people and money from the government. The earth literaily used to be on fire..producing mass CO from volcanoes on a regular basis. Instead of the damn thing leading to global warming it cooled down. All those CO and harmful oxides still left enough ozone layer for us somehow...mystery.

    The hotter it gets the cooler and more powerful the rain; think hurricanes for better understanding. All that vapor is going to come tumblingdown at once. Anyone noiced it also getting colder in the winter?It balances out
  16. cato less hate, more science Registered Senior Member

    exactly, if we cripple our economy by overreacting to global warming, we are screwing our selves before mother nature even gets a chance.
  17. Being as your a resident of the good 'ole US of A there Cato, there's little likelihood of your Government crippling any American interests in the first place, unless dear President George has somehow changed his mind with regard to current treaty on the matter...

    Hardly likely to happen within that particular gentleman's reign of Administration.

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    Irrespective of the issue of Global Warming as a whole, finite fuel resources and our industries continual inefficient processing of the same leading to the irrefutable issue of global pollution need addressing, and if in addressing these issues we also cut down on greenhouse gas emissions from industrial sources - hardly dire consequences for the future.

    The bottom line of the whole issue lies with the simple fact that we, our generation, don't get to live to see the consequences of our society is doing in its current trends.

    It's all very well saying if, but and maybe, but the fact of the matter since the Global Warming issue first reared its head for the first time since the birth of the industrialised world steps have been undertaken to rationalise pollution, to set limits on environmental damage and basically undertake to do something about cleaning up our collective act.

    You may not have children yet, but you will and its their children's life we effect simply by doing nothing.

    If concerns regarding environmental issues create a climate where industry feels pressured into developing cleaner, more efficient processes its a price the profit makers should actually be willing to pay.

    Any industry which can turn an animal profit of billions a year on the one hand and whine about how unfair the whole damn business concerning continual pressure from environmental lobbyists isn't getting my sympathy vote and, basically, they don't deserve one.

    Evolution is all about adaption. If we don't adapt, basically, we die. When it comes to a species like ours and we do nothing to adapt, we deserve the consequences.

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