Why 432 in Ancient World?

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  1. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    That 1/360 is a ratio is what it is, refuting nothing of what I've said, how silly can you be?
     
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  3. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Not silly enough to belive your gibberish.
     
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  7. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    IceAge: Making disparaging remarks about me, does nothing to support your crazy notions.
    Those with knowledge of the history of science are aware that Eratosthenes estimated the circumference of the Earth in about 200 BC. He is generally given credit for being the first to do so. If you do not believe me, try a web search.

    If the pyramid builders knew the size of the Earth hundreds (thousands) of years earlier, why are they not given credit for having such knowledge? Why is Eratosthemes given credit for being the first to make such an estimate?

    Why have you so far being unable to provide a citation supporting your notion that the pyramid builders knew the size of the Earth? Why are you unable to provide a citation showing that some creditable scientist supports your notion that the Dimensions of the Earth can be determined from precession data? Can you provide an explanation for Eratosthemnes being considered the first to estimate the size of the Earth?

    I can answer the questions I raised in the previous paragraph. You cannot provide citations or explanations supporting your crackpot ideas because they are nonsense and cannot be supported.
     
  8. Satyr Banned Banned

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    Want more evidence that IceAgeCivilizatinos is an idiot?

    Do a search using his moniker and read.
    Get some Kleenex.
    The laughing will surely cause you to gush.

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  9. Bells Staff Member

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    Come come kiddies.

    Lets try and play nice.
     
  10. Satyr Banned Banned

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    Is pretending like we don’t think IceAgeCivilization is an imbecile part of being “nice” or is it part of the “honesty” of civilized discussion?
     
  11. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Dino, it is not my fault that you can't grasp a methodology utilizing simple astronomy, geometry, and arithmetic.

    I have been congratulated on the finding by many knowledgable folks, but you are obviously not one of them, and that's fine, some just can't or won't grasp it, no problem.
     
  12. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Saty, how could an "imbecile" have figured out how the ancients measured the Earth by measuring precession?
     
  13. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    IceAge:More disparaging remarks and nonsense
    Still neither specific mathematics nor citations to back up your inane concepts.

    I bolded a phrase in your post (see above quote). Many suggests 5-10 or more people. Can you provide a link or a citation to two who consider your precession nonsense valid?

    I can claim that many think you are a nut and I am a genius, but my making such a claim means nothing. Any jackass who can type can make unsupported statements on the internet.

    I have mentioned Eratosthenes as the one given credit for being the first known to have determined the circumference of the Earth. Anyone who can do a search can verify my claim relating to him. Since he lived at least 1000 years after the pyramiid builders, I have good reason to believe that they did not have a clue about the size of the Earth.

    You cannot show any support for your silly notions.


    Again I request some valid support. What I will get instead of a citation or relevant link will be more disparageing remarks or bulls**t. You canno find any support and you are unwilling to admit that your concepts are nonsense.

    You are probably ignorant enough to not realize that you are spouting nonsense. Put up or shut up! Either show some supporting evidence or a relevant link or else go away.
     
  14. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Your little rant is a waste of your hot air as Eratosthenes, measuring shadows, attained about a 5% accuracy, while this method goes to within 0.5%, also, it's borne out with the dimensions of the GP and the precession numbers in ancient legends, and it's obviously the ancient forerunner of our modern mapping and timekeeping system, so just save it.
     
  15. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    IceAge: Again you post without providing any support for your weird notions.

    As per my last post: Put up or shut up!!

    Still no mention of why Eratosthemes (circa 200BC) is credited with being the first to devise a method of determining the length of the circumference of the Earth. Still no link or citation indicating that the pyramid builders had a clue about the dimensions of the Earth.

    If you cannot provide a link or other citation supporting your claim, you should admit that your idea is nonsense or merely slink away without posting on this topic anymore.

    Again I state that the pyramid builders had no clue to the dimensions of the Earth. Again, I claim that neither the circumference nor the diameter of the Earth can be determined from Precession data.
     
  16. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Considering there IS no relationship between precession and the radius of the Earth, it could ony take an imbecile.
     
  17. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Ophiolite agrees that the ancients were measuring precession, as evidenced with the precession numbers cited by Hertha von Dechend and Giorgio de Santillana in Hamlet's Mill, so my finding just explains how those numbers were developed.
     
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    True, except back then Polaris wasn't necessarily at true north, due to precession. But the idea is right, it would just be another point (that may or may not have a star located there.)
     
  19. charles brough Registered Senior Member

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    So, we are into numerology now, huh? Or is there an implication that “alien spacemen” did it? I doubt that there are any archeological engineers here in this forum interested in that math. Just as well, because their answer would most assuredly be mundane. Both Ice Age man and later the Egyptians all used the simpler calculating ability they had in their own times.

    Charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
     
  20. kairologic Registered Member

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    Ok How About This, Guys?

    Want to know where the cubit came from? The furlong? Here:

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    Common Ground: A Dash of Music and an Inch of Sun​

    The Egyptians related the course of cosmic chronology to physical structures by the passage of our Sun’s motion through the sky (and by Earth’s annual orbital spin). Witnessing one whole degree of sky, with gnomonic and/or sextant (astrolabe) referencing and with tally marks, they were enabled to foster the origins of geometrical art, modern physics and biology, and various standards of weights and measures. According to their observations of total solar standstills throughout any given year, 5 days (2 solstices of nearly 2.5-day-long/60-hour standstills each) were discounted from the apparent (synodic) orbit of 360 days. This supplied the 360 degree compass system, and is conveniently a multiple to lowest common denominations of division by the digits 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, (six is a larger 3), (8 is a larger 4), and 9, which skips seven – leading us to better comprehension of the 7th day “rest” of the solar deity in universal (mathematical) creation, and the symbolic mystique of that scythe shaped figure 7 in early writing. The geometrical correlations to this science rendered the common religious symmetries of the circle (one point or one whole), the vesica piscis (2 pointed fish or eye), the triangle (3 points either “upward” or “downward”), the cross (4 points or a tetrahedron – the original three dimensional platonic solid), the pentalpha (5 points representing the Golden Ratio or a pyramid), the Star of David (6 points or two equally inverted triangles), and the globally Gnostic octo-and-dodecahedral starbursts (8 and 12 points respectfully). Masterfully utilizing astronomy for rational arithmetic, the precession of the equinoxes (wherein the night sky shifts completely over 25920 years) was fit into Egyptian geo-metrical divisions by according 72 subdivisions, in every single degree of a day’s cycle, to obtain that large total number of the celestial Heavens. The Hebrew named these astro-horological units “barleycorn,” and later, “Helakim;” each unit lasted for 3.333 of today’s seconds.

    Here is a fundamental example of an easily perfected scientific instrument to discover the speed of sound: being that shifts in visible light are transmitted almost instantaneously, one man can stand at a distance to another and shout at the same time he waves his hand, while the observing man calculates how long it takes for that shout to travel. The observer could use a metronome constructed of a flow control screw-valve (which the Egyptians invented for irrigation, levitation, steam power, and transmission) which would tap a keg full of liquid set accurately to drip once per Helakim. The result is that a numerically symbolic unit of length (distance) measure could be derived simply by the shouting man retreating from or advancing to the observer until they coordinate a particular distance of rope-knotted “degrees;” and, the speed of sound in air would then have a rational distance per Helakim associated to it. The speed of sound is 1080 feet per second at freezing (0 degrees Celcius), and, this works out to be an auditory “speed” of 3600 feet per Helakim. Being that one hour contains 3600 seconds, it could be easily postulated that the creation of the second hand was an action relative to this measure, originally manifested from close attention to the dance of stars and the Moon above.

    In the Old Testament, the 1/8th-mile “furlong” (or agricultural furrow-long which later evolve into the ‘acre’) of 660-ft/ 440-modern-cubits was prominent in usage; it is also currently the “E” note, in Hertzian notation, of Western music (with 440 arguably the ‘A’ note). Being that the angels of Biblical metaphor were equated with song and the Word of God, and that acoustical pressure is the only real difference between instantaneous light waves and slower material existence, the ‘Word’ truly did “part the waters” as the evolution of frequencies, and henceforth, elemental chemistry carried onward. To really understand this separation of light and sound waves (and oneness of them all), and even of heavy material forms much more divided into unseen particle-waves, was quite the aim of many esoteric alchemical studies. ‘Angel’ is translatable to ‘angle,’ in terms of word meaning; representative of a being (a geometer) cognizant of the irrationality of light, and the opposed rationality of human-created number, weight, and measure, the word was synonymous with scholar, guardian, craftsman, teacher, visionary, and more. Revelations 21:17 says “and he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

    The Royal Cubit has an interesting root of formulation in furlong numerals. Divisible by 20, and also by 33 (an often-mentioned number in sacred geometry representing otherwise irrational and Holy or Masonic thirds in decimal systems), and, being a 5:4 ratio ‘E’ note musical product of the obscure and ancient solfeggio “Mi” note of 528hz, the furlong-number of 660 has many peculiar ties. The number 660 is even an 11/6 ratio for the common cross-cultural (geomantic) number 360, which tells much allegory in and of itself, and can easily justify the conception of our musical frequency system as based on our annual orbit – hence the general keynote 360 Hz ‘F’ of ancient Greece and Asia. At 72 degrees Fahrenheit (termed as the perfect human comfort zone), a number once again associated to the 25920-year Precession of the Equinoxes and to the numerical Hebrew Gematria equivalent of “YHVH” ( the original spelling of Yahweh or Jesus), as well as symbolic of fifth-divisions of 360 degrees (the 72 degree separations of pentalpha points), the speed of sound is 1130.81 feet per second, because wave (sound) speed is dependent upon pressure/temperature in the medium. This amount, divided by the curious 660, gives 20.56 inches of measure, which is just under the length of Biblical Royal Cubit proportion. The Cubit, however, was divided by 7 “palms” of 4 “fingers” each (much like the 4-week lunar 13 month calendar), and inasmuch, it is affirmed that this product would be rounded up to Moses’ proclaimed 20.6” unit in said system. The fact that this particular measure can be fabricated from anywhere in the world by two people and some equipment, to also derive this temperature measurement system of old, is of even further value. This might have led to the eventual popularization of the German “Fahrenheit” notation through the feverish and complete old-world dominations of Alexander the Great (an pre-Germanic Aryan and esteemed Grecian conqueror).

    If the Royal Cubit came from calculations of geometrical distancing and sound, so did the inch. One other standard of Cubit division was by the “construction remen” standard of 20 notches (and its further 1/16th binary subdivisions named ”Ro”). In this tradition was the Gizeh pyramid built up to a height of 320 Cubits (like the 320 Ro within a Cubit). As above, so below. After time, the Royal Cubit made way for the contemporary Cubit of 24 Fingers (instead of 28), measuring 18 total inches, or a musical-termed dominant “perfect fifth” in relation to the Roman “foot;” and, the same second-hand time (instead of Hekalim) that begot this whole schema also made its gradual way into international decree by a Papal Bull from Pope Gregory the XIII. The speed of sound, after all, had to relatively match the numerations of Heavenly motions, so instead of 3600 feet per Helakim, it became 1080 feet per tick (second). Seconds also split up the day by the 12 major Signs, their halves, and the 60-within-60 units in each Sign. The Star of David contains points separated each by 60 degrees, and 60 is a special number because it is the lowest one divisible by all numbers through 12 (minus 7 and 11 – the fabled digits). The 18-inch Cubit became “Lunar” because of its relation to the 18-year lunar “Saros,” wherein the phase and proximity of the moon would be exactly recycled yet one third around the world distanced from the original observation. Three (holy number) of these periods comprises one “exiligmos” (“turn of the wheel” in Greek) of 54 years, and by this magic math one can precisely predict eclipse cycles and tidal changes, because the moon will be exacted back to 3/3rds its rotation (full circle) in the same phase, altitude, azimuth, and even distance (between perigee and apogee) from Earth.

    The rosary of Christianity and the mala of Hindu or Vedic belief systems is made of 108 beads, a multiple of 54, relative to the (startling) 1080 foot-per-second speed of sound at freezing – relating the passage of vibratory waves through a compacted gas medium, the 1080-mile radius of the moon, the 108000 mile 1/8th radius of the Sun, and 1/24th the precession of the equinoxes. Henceforth, the overwhelmingly future-safe popularity of an 18-inch, 24 digit Cubit over the original was warranted for geomancers, Yogi, and Magi alike. To mathe-magicians, anyhow, 12s and 9s are quite definitive for cosmological theology. In fact, after the furlong and the Royal Cubit were mostly dispensed of, the blockbuster key tonality for music became the 108Hz ‘A’ note, mythically (or not so much) labeled the “solar tone.” The beautiful sound of mathematical symmetry in music performed in concert pitch 432Hz or ‘A3’ tuning was taken to quite rapidly by the artistic community, and the Grecian “Pythagorean Brotherhood” even considered the knowledge behind it quite empowering and critical in order to gain leverage over self and over community. They swore their lives upon this knowledge, and upon the rational harmonies of a sacred geometrical symbol called the “Tetractys,” also related to Egyptian/Hebrew Gematria and Vedic numerology, and protected the ancient science coherent to the mystery of the Golden Spiral (and its geometrically symbolic pentacle – similar to how 72 x 5 = 360), as well as the soon-to-be-added revelatory “Number of the Beast” pertaining to the living, geometrical Cosmos: 216 (108 x 2) is 6 cubed (6x6x6). Whoever possessed this knowledge was a threat to power mongering religio-domination tyrants.

    Mayan priest-Kings (high shamans), on the other side of the world, also observed these cycles and, similarly, kept the profound knowledge to themselves. Remaining records of Mayan astronomical majesty scarcely recognize the coveted eclipse prediction sciences. Kings had much political and economical power to gain from their own familiar kin group secrets. The Egyptian laborer’s (or geometer’s) one-inch “remen” measure of the Royal Cubit was analogous to the astronomically-correlated vegisimal (20 point) numbering system of the ancient Mayan people of Mesoamerica, too. Even the Mayan “xo’ot” construction/distancing unit of 144 feet is a numerical mind-blowing standard in multiplicity of that famous Egyptian/Indian/Hebrew ‘72.’ When the 12-inch, 12 digit foot measure was soon to come in Rome (an evolution of this science), the Maya were not too far behind in the game. 144 is 12 squared (and also the twelfth successive numeral in the Fibonacci sequence relative to Phi), and seems to be a fantastic way to encode some of the most brilliant research executed by the human species, yet these unexplainably alien numbers, to the rest of their mostly asymmetrical arithmetic, can only relate to the sorcerer’s secrets of the sun-moon conjunctions (or alignments) and the orbital tilt the Earth has in relation to it all.

    Inquiring minds can always discover the truth: it was encoded in their “long count” only (their mathematical divisions of the observed precession of the equinoxes); 144000 days (400 years) is a Bak’tun, strikingly similar (surely astrological in symbolism) to the 144000 “survivors” in Revelations, and, also the length of time it takes for the Earth’s core (and magnetism) to rotate once around. This is binary, of course, like the makeup of so many things natural, as each 400-year Bak’tun (literally marking global historical paradigm shifts in Mayan philosophy) is actually 1/64th the time it takes for a Precession of the Equinoxes (25920 years). Again, as in many natural entities and/or events, there are connections to be made. Even their culturally unique 13/20 time measurement system of the 260-day long Tzol’kin calendar (differing from the Egypto-Euro12/60 system) might be called relative to the far Easterners; the 660-foot furlong unit of inch-conception, multiplied by two, equals 1320. It is not hard to deduce that a people would wish to create either a 20-point (660) or 10-point (1320) basis of mathematics, because the decimal and vegisimal systems are both easily counted on fingers and/or toes, each system requires simple input to produce larger multiplications or create scientific notation (power functions), and, as so coveted by the Kaballists, the Magi, and the Pythagorean Brotherhood (and acclaimed by Socrates), the 1:2:3:4 ratio triangular design of the mathematical wonder called “Tetractys” (and YHVH) adds right up to the human number 10.

    Fu Xi’s now popular I-Ching, a geometrical representation of Taoist Gnostic understanding and astronomical observation, is either seen as an eight-trigram circle or as a 64 hexgram circle. Human DNA contains 64 codons for genetic inscription. Every biological thing is somewhat diamagnetic (repelling magnetic fields and creating electrical charges as a product), and so, at least at the Biophotonic level, must be affected by these various “magi-cal” cycles. Geomagnetic hourhands and minutehands truly do alter the course of life on Earth – it’s just up to us to decide how we wish to self-consciously express it. Many Asian people still celebrate a 13-moon calendar, closer in precision to tidal motions, wildlife tracking or farming, and even human menstruation cycles. Music, measure, architecture, dance, gearing, and electronics are just some of the ways we’ve already integrated these strange numbers into our existence, and a common person can find them in any school, car, electrical system, or market place; these days, many of those who “know” are always seeking like-minded correspondence and partnership, and putting the signs right in front of us. The cosmic inch is multinational because of ground, sound, water, and the Light of the alchemical “One Thing” – that is the Sun, and all material elements because of it.


    ~Chronos is divided Light and matter; Kairos is curved Truth and cosmic ether; both are the equal and opposingly diametric measures of life itself. The grass is greener nowhere more than right here in the already Eternal Heavens, and we’re meant to enjoy it through Craft. Creation never ended. We are all one.~

    Brendan Bombaci
     
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    In your honest opinion is this much ado about nothing?

    or:

    Are you, or have you ever been, intimately involved with a bass fiddle player?
     
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    No it does not. It has been suggested that using the science (primarily astronomy) and technology (Bronze Age) available at the time, observations and measurements could have been taken to make it possible to calculate the diameter of the planet to that many digits of accuracy.
     
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    Ice age was banned like a year ago?
     

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