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  1. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    That suggests that you believe that you already know what the truth is.

    If people busy themselves arguing with people who don't bend a knee to their version of the truth, then content would indeed seem to be the issue.

    It might help if people stopped hurling insults (dishonest! deceptive!) at those who are perceived as disagreeing with their favored version of The Truth.

    As far as preaching goes, that happens both ways.

    You're convinced that you are right. So what's wrong with other people thinking that they are right too? From their prespective it's you who is sticking his fingers in his ears while going "LA LA LA" and refusing to listen to what they say.

    In my opinion, the religion, paranormal and ufology threads could be an excellent opportunity to examine no end of important and fascinating issues in epistemology and the philosophy of science.

    But in order for that to happen, care has to be taken on both sides to avoid threads degenerating into personality-driven flame-battles.
     
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  3. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    Adding a Moderator Ignore by All Button for a post or poster, does sound like it should be possible. It could even be made thread or sub forum specific.
     
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  5. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Without any evidence that you will accept.

    In real life, there are probably thousands of eye-witness reports of cryptozoological hominids. Belief in their existence is traditional in many cultures around the world.

    Much the same thing can be said about evidence for religious experiences and miracles.

    The problem isn't so much that evidence doesn't exist, but rather how much credibility weight to place on the evidence that does exist.

    I wish you wouldn't do that.

    So the problem as you see it is MR posting about UFO's, ghosts and monsters in what is ostensibly the "UFO's, ghosts and monsters" forum? If threads about those subjects aren't welcome in a forum supposedly devoted to them, then why does the forum exist?

    Or is the forum only supposed to be for skeptics and debunkers? If that's so, then shouldn't theists like yourself be excluded from participating in the religion forum? Shouldn't that forum only be for posts by self-avowed atheists? Shouldn't its purpose be to attack and hopefully to discredit religion?
     
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  7. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Is that science ?
     
  8. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    It's ironic that you make that complaint, when you've said almost the exact same thing about philosophy, Paddoboy.

    Yet you post about very little apart from philosophy, going on and on about the supposed "scientific method", about evidence and reason, the science/pseudoscience distinction and about the value of science.

    You seem to have established yourself as one of the board's philosophers of science, while expressing pride in having never studied the subject and often expressing your opinion that there's nothing there worth learning.

    In my opinion that threatens to make you a voice of willful ignorance and anti-intellectualism.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, a forum I moderate has that feature. It's useful, although perhaps not in this case, since the moderators can still see the posts (for obvious reasons.) In this case, Kitt would still see MR's posts and still reply, keeping the threads visible to everyone else.
     
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  10. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Simple - what I am stating is backed not only by observation and logic, but by the site rules by which each of us agreed to be bound upon signing up.

    and I agree - the paranormal IS fascinating - trying to declare it as truth without the extraordinary evidence to back it up is foolish. Ignoring what others post entirely when said posts provide well documented evidence (such as studies regarding the fickle nature of human senses)... what would you describe that as, if not dishonest? A discussion on the subject should observe both sides of the coin
     
  11. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Simple - what I am stating is backed not only by observation and logic, but by the site rules by which each of us agreed to be bound upon signing up.

    and I agree - the paranormal IS fascinating - trying to declare it as truth without the extraordinary evidence to back it up is foolish. Ignoring what others post entirely when said posts provide well documented evidence (such as studies regarding the fickle nature of human senses)... what would you describe that as, if not dishonest? A discussion on the subject should observe both sides of the coin
     
  12. Secular Sanity Registered Senior Member

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    The United Methodist Church is against abortion and homosexuality. Is that why you’re always picking on MR, because he’s gay?
     
  13. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Oh wow.

    Great post

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  14. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Actually, I don't think I'd care if I knew something like that had been implemented - I'd probably just ignore him myself at that point.
     
  15. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Actually, our church has several gay/lesbian members, and a pastor who is, I believe, bisexual. Our pastors have helped several of our youth come out to their parents, especially in cases where they were afraid of their parents reaction.

    Add to that the fact that I was not aware that MR was gay until several weeks ago (maybe a month or two now?), plus the fact that I have a close friend who is gay, the mother of my god daughter is bi, a friend who is pansexual, and my mother is a lesbian... yeah, I think I'm safe in saying that I don't care what a person's sexuality is. That's their business, and theirs alone.

    Oh, also, it may be worth noting that I consider myself demisexual and sapiosexual... so, yeah. Make of that what you will.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I'll help you remember what you posted:
    "The vast majority of scientific information has no impact on my life."
    "I don't think knowledge and understanding are inherently beneficial to us."
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That would be a great idea, one that would greatly cut down on the noise here IMO.
     
  18. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    I'd say that it's a very useful belief system practically speaking, whose component beliefs typically have a high probability of being true.
     
  19. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    " truth is singular. its versions are mistruths. "
    [david mitchell, cloud atlas]
     
  20. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously? LOL And I quote:

    Dywyddyr said:
    Actually I remember the older days[1] - when nutters abounded but it was more or less ok to point out that a f*ckwit was a f*ckwit.
    If you posted bullshit you couldn't go screaming that you were being called names, you had to take responsibility for your own statements.

    1 No good looking at my join date - I used a different name back then.

    Kittamaru, Yesterday at 11:44 AM #7

    you mean Selectively Frowned upon?
     
  21. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    That remark is entirely defensible and is likely true. (MR's talking about his own life.) It's probably true in my life too. Unless scientific information has useful engineering or medical applications, or changes my worldview somehow, it doesn't effect me very much.

    I'm less sure I'd agree with that. (I'm more of a gnostic than MR, I guess, and do tend to value knowedge for its own sake.) But the view that knowledge isn't always an inherent good is certainly defensible. Perhaps there are some things that it would be better for human health and welfare that we don't know. I'm imagining teenage biohackers with basement molecular biology kits brewing up real life analogues of computer viruses, launching unstoppable plagues and exterminating the human race.

    More fundamentally, even when we point to engineering and medical applications of science, is it really the knowledge that's of direct benefit to us, or is the knowledge only indirectly beneficial since it enables us to achieve different and more desireable ends? Physical fluid dynamics might enable aeronautical engineers to design better aircraft, but is it simply knowledge of the physics that's benefiting the average person (most of them don't even share that knowledge) or is it the improved transportation options that the improved planes provide? Learning about how gene transcription is controlled might thrill molecular biologists, but it won't be of much relevance to everyday people unless it pays off in medical applications. In that case it would be the curing of disease that's benefiting people, not mere possession of the biological knowledge, which most laypeople wouldn't even have.

    I should add that both of the remarks that Billvon attributed to MR, the idea that scientific knowledge hasn't really impacted MR's life all that much, and the idea that scientific knowledge isn't necessarily an inherent good, are NOT equivalent to the much stronger assertion that Paddoboy is attributing to him, namely that science is not and never has been beneficial to mankind.
     
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  22. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Delete accidental double posting.
     
  23. Secular Sanity Registered Senior Member

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    You’re a corrupted dissenter then, eh? It’s against your church laws. So, you can understand why I feel that your beliefs are more harmful than MR's.

    The Book of Discipline constitutes the law and doctrine of the United Methodist Church.

    http://www.umc.org/what-we-believe/homosexuality-full-book-of-discipline-statements

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Methodism

    Sapiosexual….that’s fuckin’ hilarious. Is that why you go to church, for all that brain candy? Is that where allum smart ones hangout?
     
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