Who killed Kurt Cobain?

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  1. schema Registered Member

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    I know what really happened. He lived on the same street as Bill Gates, and despite the warnings, Kurt just couldn't keep the noise down.
     
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  3. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    BG is noted for his fast temper and competitive aggression. But maybe it's like the Orient Express -- all the suspects / nearest neighbors perhaps contributed, including Howard Schultz and Peter Buck. Just any break from Hank Harrison's daughter being the ho-hum, lone culprit or central mastermind of it.
     
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  5. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    The CIA.
    At a guess.
    They are responsible for 99% of all conspiracy murders.
     
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  7. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Weird, I just saw this thread today, and was looking up something about him, earlier...
    Don't think he coined this phrase, but he was noted as believing in it...

    ''I would rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.''

    Far too many people think the opposite.

    RIP Kurt Cobain, the world is a worse place since you left it.

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    He just had a lot more to say, and never got the chance.
     
  8. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    Everyone knows the virtues of self talk. I believe affirmations can go further and alter ones reality, but for the sake of this argument self talk can be simply a self talk/self hypnosis type thing.

    Any suggestion you make to yourself is a form of self hypnosis.

    Now Nirvana had some seriously depressing and suicidal lyrics.

    or this song called
    "I hate myself and want to die"
    He sang these lyrics daily, and self talk can alter your moods and perception.

    How many other minds did he poison?

    Then he shot himself in the head with a shotgun.

    Sad.

    Trivia: Suicide is the theme of one of the best know songs in America... Can you guess.


    Hint: It was a TV show theme song in one the most watched series of all time. A record-breaking 125 million viewers watched its last episode.
    Here ...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo
     
  9. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    kwhilborn;

    It is sad. He suffered horribly from depression, and then he turned to drugs, becoming addicted. You know the surface story as I do, but if you have ever met or known someone personally who struggled with depression, you'll know it is like a prison for the person.

    He used music as an outlet as many do, and while I get your sentiment, he might have helped others to not be silent about their problems. Sometimes people who suffer so, help others in the same boat. We never know.

    Idk, I think he was often misunderstood. What is sad, is that he lost all hope under the weight of his depression.

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    I think he was very talented and he could have gone very far.
     
  10. arauca Banned Banned

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    Why should I care for him and for who willed him ? people die every minute. So his number come out early.
     
  11. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting trivia, kwhilborn!

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    As you can see from my "reaction," I didn't know that.
    Wow.
     
  12. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    He intended it as fodder for facetiousness, which often seems the chief value of a conspiracy forum. Note that this pertains to exaggerated media representations of historic events and individuals, though; like one of Seth McFarlane's creations kicking around a particular, wayward description or stereotypical depiction of Dallas rather than the real or original place.
     
  13. Anew Life isn't a question. Banned

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    I think Kurt did well as a writer musician in the music field. His solvent words came from a height to be determined. I agree he lit subject of behavioral subjects more than the many in a serving profession with many gang limitings. perhaps the CIA did spare his life, men with short clean bullet wounds to the head have been known to be spared. Kurt's song Know Your Right is golden.
     
  14. Boo88 Registered Member

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    I'm a life long Nirvana fan, Kurt Cobain was a fascinating person. When I was a teen, I got into the conspiracy side of it, thinking Courtney was behind the whole (or Hole) thing. She benefited most from his death after all, and Kurt always claimed to be so anti-suicide.

    But when someone gets into something like heroin, they aren't the same person. The pit of despair you can dig for yourself in that position can be unbearable. And he really struggled with the concept of fame. Coming up through punk and Hardcore brings with it need to shun the mainstream and the big time. But the only way to get heard is to get bigger. I think he really struggled with the separation of these ideals.

    So I think the person that killed Kurt was Kurt.
     
  15. ( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) Registered Member

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    Randy Rhoads was better.
     
  16. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Talk about indoctrination!
     
  17. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    "He was an artist! You can't say that!!!!!!"


    It's tragicomical, how in the name of "art" and "culture," so much harm is done, and it is taboo to acknowledge this fact.
     
  18. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Kurt's lyrics were gibberish. There was no deeper meaning to them, or even any meaning at face value. He admitted as much several times. He killed himself because he was a heroin addict who became severely depressed. There's no mystery here.

    I'm honestly not sure where Kurt would have wound up, musically, had he lived. He spent way too much time crooning with his far less-talented wife near the end. I don't think Nirvana was long for this world in any event. There were rumors shortly afterward that he had wanted to break the band up and go solo, but I don't know if there was any truth to them. And, really, for my money (and I think history supports me on this) Dave Grohl was the most talented guy in that band anyway.
     
  19. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    amazingly enough this suicidal often depressed Young man had some self-hatred. And amazingly this led to him make self-deprecating comments. Incorrect ones. If you Watch him unplugged with Nivana you will hear him making self-deprecating comments pretty regularly.

    His lyrics often were excellent and they were not gibberish, though loss of meaning and inability to communicate were sometimes part of the DEEPER MEANING.

    Something in the Way, for example, just a Quick dash at it, plays with Something the Harrison Beatles song. There are strong hints in the chord progression, but Cobain is now focusing on an inability even to choose a romantic object. Something is in the way. He cannot get, not only to the Life he wants, living where he is as described in the song, and like he is in general, but he can't even get to a goal. Note, the character in the song. It does not matter if Cobain actually lived under a bridge. The film evokes feelings that a lot of people his age and younger and older could identify with. A sense of inertia. Of wishing one was not causeing harm - his rationalization of why its ok to eat fish and his make pets of potential prey - and to me, there is a strong hint that he could not even in as much isolation as he or the character could create for himself, avoid potentially being a harmful person. Guilt. A lot of guilt. And feelings of hopelessness.

    All played up against the Boomer Anthem that seems so obvious and a song that everyone should Think of as the way things are - loving this somehow perfect mate in Harrison's song. Cobain is saying I can't even reach that longing and feel OK about it. Of course it helps if you can consciously pick up the musical homage/retort to Something, but even without that the song , yes, deeper meaning. There is a cynicism here and a very boyish, not mean spirited one. And I don't Think anyone presented that kind of inertia, hopelessness, childlike yearning in rock Before Cobain. And that's part of why it connected with so many people. It was almost taboo to go into those Places. This was not about getting the girl or the girl left me, or I am so cool. This was about a kind of existentialist set of dilemmas, presented out of the lives of Young alienated people in the US, though people caught on elsewhere and could identify.

    And of course in songs and poetry meaning can be strongly evocative, a Creation of emotional and image tied experiences.

    There are plenty of other songs I could go into. He was a clever lyricist, sometimes profound, and certainly much more interesting as a lyricist that pretty much Everything on the radio today - given the limted playlists djs can now choose from. The fact that his lyrics often are about self-hatred, not finding meaning, not having a great relationship, pointlessness, shallowness and hate in certain Groups, how hard it is to communicate and make his lyrics different from a lot of pop and even most rock. That they are concerned with, describing and evoking meaningless as experiencied, does not mean they are meaningless.

    It's not some weird coincidence or marketing result that so many people identified with what HE MEANT in his lyrics and that this identification was often very Deep. Adn this included a lot of very talented musicians and lyricists themselves.

    Tastes differ of course, but I doubt a survey of musicians would come Close to agreeing with you. Not that Grohl is lacking in some way. Cobain influenced more musicians and more singers and then also people in general.

    He was an addict and unless that changed things were likely not going to go well, one way or Another. Especially coupled with his self-hatred and inability to, as his wife suggested after he died, simply quit since being famous and successful freaked him out so much.

    I like Grohl, but his effects on rock and Culture in general, despite having had much more time to have effects, are much less than Cobain. And he is simply nowhere near as unique. He like a decent not at all lowbrow best seller writer, but not someone who is going into the Canon.
     
  20. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed. Many musicians have addressed deep existential dilemmas, but packed them into an all-too-perfect, all-too-classy, all-too-artsy music, lyrics and band/musician image.
    Redding's Sittin' on the dock of the by, for example, is a brilliant and widely popular example of such a deeply existential song packed up into a very classy image. One has to wonder whether the singer or the protagonist of the song are actually feeling the despair, or whether the whole thing is a sham.


    Not so much taboo to go there, as taboo to really experience, live the despair and meaninglessness one felt and expressed with words and music in songs.

    Typically, there is that classical distance between the existential issues and the way they are expressed - there's that "Feel the pain and hold your head up high anyway." And I think Nirvana were trying to erase that difference.
     
  21. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Calls to mind a segment from a filmed '60s public interview with Bob Dylan. Where he laughingly dismissed or mildly ridiculed a suggestion from a schoolgirl in the audience, that the lyrics of his songs were supposed to have all sorts of underlying socio-political / ideological / current event meanings. Both following her question and his initial reply of bafflement, concerning what one specific song really meant.
     
  22. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Well, take it up with him, since Cobain himself said they were.

    Most of his songs were just bits of poetry and randomness. He wrote them to achieve a certain sound, not a certain message.

    People will ascribe meaning to just about anything. We see animals in the clouds, so how hard is it to shape a poem or song lyrics--regardless of whether they make any sense or not--to one's own personal experiences?

    That statement is profoundly wrong. Dave Grohl is one of the most respected musicians in the world today. You're conflating the mythological rise of Kurt Cobain's wasted future with actual talent.

    Kurt's biggest impact on the music community was his death. Yes, he wrote great songs, but so did Dave Grohl--who was, in case you've forgotten, a part of Nirvana as much as Cobain was--and Dave has a much wider and deeper catalog of music.
     
  23. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Why would an artist honestly, openly answer questions about his art? Isn't the artist's meta-communication about his art also part of his art to begin with?

    I never straightforwardly believe artists when they speak about their art.
     

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