Which puts me in mind of a complaint posted on another forum I go to where the poster was complaining Christmas was loosing its religious connection with the holy birth of jc. I pointed out that the birthday of jc was unknown and early church leaders stole pagan celebrations held around late December and annexed the 25th as the birthday of jc. As is their want they did not produce any evidence I was wondering if the god bothers get to upertie we should take them to court for the return of the day (actually I think the pagan festival went for about 3 weeks) While us pagans had our own invisible gods we preferred to party with them, not treat them as special to be worshipped and follow any stupid rules they came up with Here is another thought bubble. It's a wonder I've never considered this before. Are there any other gods who have a listed birthday? If I can't interest god or the designer in your pigeon I might try to find the maker of the trainer wheels on this scooter I saw in Bali Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!