Who designed the designer?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    If you could explain what you mean by "how the world works"?
    Thanks, I knew that one

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    I would say "trying to rationalise our world" Take the theory of evolution, this changes, just like every theory as you said. I generally agree though.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No it doesn't.
    Nothing has changed in the concept of evolution, only in the details which Darwin could not have had any knowledge of at that time. Difference!
     
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  5. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Do you think it won't change?
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I am absolutely convinced that the concept of "evolving complexity" is so overwhelmingly compelling that no logical argument can falsify it.

    Just look at chemistry. During the past 4 billion years, the earth has conducted some.......wait for it.......;
    TWO TRILLION, QUADRILLION, QUADRILLION, QUADRILLION chemical experiments, each experiment subject to possible evolutionary stresses. Chemical reactions are so fundamental in the universe, that only the assumption of a unprovable supernatural causality (which does the same thing) must be an acceptable logical answer.

    God does not dwell at Planck scale, or maybe he does. But the physical evolutionary processes (a universal function) remain true........

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    "Evolution" is responsible for the God "Change", the fundamental companion of the God "Time"
    (to use metaphor)
     
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  8. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    You know they said that about gravity?
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And how did that end? Gravity is a mathematical physical aspect associated with mass, no?

    Unless you want to call Gravity a God. It perfectly usable as a metaphor. Just not in a scriptural sense.
     
  10. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    theory of relatively(Newton) was changed by General Relativity(Einstein). I did hear that some of Newtons calculations are used now but that's it.
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It's not rational to believe something just because there is no contrary evidence.
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I believe Newton's equations are almost exclusively used today because they describe the earth's local gravitational potentials adequately for practical use.

    The extended version is only required for issues associated with spacetime curvature not the resulting mathematics of physical attraction between two massive objects.
    The functional mathematics remain almost the same.
     
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  13. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    What is irrational about believing in different things than you?
     
  14. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks. Like I said, I heard Newtons laws were still active.

    I'm not much of a scientist, as you know

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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Nor am I, but when I'm interested, I usually do check out recommended links to understand what others see as important and if it conflicts with my perspective. If not, I'm happy to accept the link as supportive of a scientific viewpoint.

    Perhaps it's a little unfair. I'm retired and have plenty spare time for research.
     
  16. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Selective reality.

    Do you enjoy life?
     
  17. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    You act like this is about me being uncomfortable with views that are different. That has nothing to do with my argument.
     
  18. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    What is your argument?
     
  19. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It's not rational to believe things without evidence and personal experience cannot be considered legitimate evidence.
     
  20. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    And that's it. I've got nothing to say about your opinion. Most members have established that we can use the word "belief" in debates, but you decide, no use of the word belief in a philosophy/religious forum.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely, I consider myself very lucky to be alive. Numerically only an incredibly small percent of living organisms get to contemplate nature and truly enjoy it's infinite artistic expressions.

    And that is not a belief, this is demonstrably true.
    I am one of the few billion lucky ones..........

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  22. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Good for you

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    I'm the same but sometimes I get pulled away from the reality I want, and then have to find time to sort out my free will reality, my selective reality..
     
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  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Um... what? I decided no such thing. Why are you talking about the word belief?
     

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