Who designed the designer?

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  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I did grasp it. But, as you point out, your idea that 'it can't be proven' is predicated on a belief that he's human.

    It could still be proven that God exists, and that you are wrong in your belief.


    That being said, if this guy-that-looks-human snapped his fingers and turned the world inside out, and day into night - "God" would still rise to the top of my list of possibilities.


    100 mile tall...

    That is a belief.
    You don't know he does not exist. None of us do. Not even us atheists.
     
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    ...

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  5. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly, not it is. A possibility is pointless.

    Thanks, that sorts that out.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It means we can't claim to know God doesn't exist.
    We can believe it, but we could be proven wrong tomorrow.
    Every clear-thinking atheist acknowledges this.
     
  8. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    The profound question this concludes is why would he want to prove it?
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I certainly don't have any way to argue the "logic" of such a God.
     
  10. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Although I don't mind a thread going off topic it just occurred to me that we still have no idea of who the designer is or who designed the designer.
    Of course there is no designer but I wonder what story supporters of the designer idea offer on this aspect.
    Alex
     
  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    I think we can rule out Gucci

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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I once studied for the priesthood. Then decided to become a hippie. Threw away the frock, kept the sandals....

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    To make a point to his favorite sons and daughters......

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    He did it before....

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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Empathy.....

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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Could it be that the design was a gradual or rapid (inflationary epoch) self-assembly and formation of dynamical geometric and energetic fields, yielding the emergent physical particles and the mathematical nature of the self-referential system?
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    The "design" of the Universe is the way it because it is the way it is

    If if if the "design" of the Universe was any other way, it would be because it was the other way

    No matter which way the Universe is / was "designed" it would be because it turned out that way

    And no matter how the Universe turned out someone would question "Why is the Universe like this?"

    Umbrella answer - because it is not any other way

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  17. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    whatever happened to string theory?
     
  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    It got tied up in knots and nobody can unravel it

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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Macrame that got untangled?
     
  20. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    dark matter?
    multiple universes?
     
  21. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    That turns a basic question into a complex one. No need for this thread title if you were talking about that?
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Actually they are very a propos. Physical patterns are designs by definition.

    The question is if the patterns (designs) are self-ordered or if someone ordered them. I maintain it is the mathematical nature of the universe that allows specific patterns (designs) to self-order without the need for a motivated supernatural mathematician..
     
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    limited patterns via limited matter and limited energy?
    energy is matter is energy?
     

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