Who controls History?

All you're talking about is ...perspective. If you want a Muslim perspective on history, move to a Muslim dominated society/nation. If you live in the white, western society, you should expect a white, western perspective. What it seems to me is that you want to change the society's perspective ...and you should remember that you are only one, tiny part of that society.

It's not right or wrong or moral or immoral, it's simply perspective. When you view a house from the outside perspective, it's much different than when viewed from an inside perspective. But both views are still correct.

Baron Max

 

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The Catholic Church, was a single organisation. "The Catholics", like "the Jews", are not. While the Catholic Church created the Inquisition, blaming it on "the Catholics" would be a great injustice considering many of the victims were Catholic. See the difference?

As for media, one of the biggest tycoons out there is Rupert Murdoch, whose holdings include Fox, HarperCollins books and MySpace, the largest social networking site in the world. He's of Scottish descent. Does that mean "the Scots" control world media?

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Unfortunately for you, your antisemitic bias shows clearly when you comment that you think Jews control the media, and that they have all the money in the world.

Each civilization produces its own biases in reporting: CNN from one perspective, al-Jazeera from another.

The latter statement is demonstrably true. The former is demonstrably not.

 

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I did get the point, so I will explain it in more detail:

Whenever there is a list of something, people try to pick a biggest, most, longest,... whatever.

So when we are talking about the list of genocides, the Holocaust is usually mentioned first for a bunch of reasons:

- Jewish people swore never to forget it and keep the memory alive in books, films, etc.
- It was one of the biggest in absolute numbers (only Stalin tops it)and the speediest in execution (almost 1 million per year).
- It happened in the middle of "civilized" Europe.
- It happened when we had photos and films, but it was one of the first when such documentary equipments were aviable. (how many pictures have you seen of the Armenian genocide by the Turks?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

- It happened to Westerners. It might be not so PC to say so, but Westerners care more about Westerners. If a genocide happens in Cambodia or in Rwanda, we couldn't care less...

Here is a little known genocide from the 19th century. Most people never heard of it, because it happened in the backwaters of Russia, no documentary is aviable, it happened to non-Westerners and it was only about half million dead:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_ethnic_cleansing#Genocide.3F

The sad truth is that genocides have always happened in history and will happen in the future. Just the nature of our animal behaviour....

 

There are indeed all sorts of difference. I am not quite sure what point you are trying to make.

Rupert Murdoch is Jewish, i.e. he had a Jewish mother (Elizabeth Joy Green) and was raised as a Jew. He himself has a penchant for referring to his Scottish ancestry, it is true. Crucially, his financial backers and principal business collaborators have been Jewish. Jews are strongly represented in the higher echelons of the organisations he controls.

 

There are indeed all sorts of difference, which you seem careful to avoid mentioning. Do you think Britain's treatment of the Irish, the stereotyping them as "Taigs" who practiced "Papistry" and were therefore "agents of the Pope", was a good thing? Or not?

"Murdoch was born Elisabeth Joy Greene in Melbourne to an Irish Protestant father and an English mother." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dame_Elisabeth_Murdoch

If you have any evidence that Murdoch went to a Jewish school, had a Bar Mitzvah, or was otherwise 'raised as a Jew', I'd like to see it. Otherwise you're guilty of the circular reasoning that Murdoch is Jewish because he's a media mogul, and that he's a media mogul because he's a Jew.

 

I think Mao tops Stalin too. I've heard figures of 30-60 million starved during his 'cultural revolution'.

Maybe not. Freedom of information and media coverage is increasing constantly. Provided that civilisation has a free press (preferably; or, if it's affected by interests, at least have media representing competing interests available), society should become increasingly transparent. Transparency leads to accountability, which leads to fewer people committing crimes because their chances of getting away with them vanish.

At the moment this is mainly true in the West, but hopefully as development takes hold in Asia, South America and Africa, it'll be true everywhere.

 

I remain at a loss to understand the argument you are pursuing. (I think historians should be morally neutral observers, rather than label things "good" or "bad".)

Irish? Last time you told me he was Scottish!

You are quite right about the spelling of EJG's name. There are Internet sources stating that she was Jewish, and others denying it. Green(e) is, of course, frequently a Jewish name. (It is, indeed, the name of Britain's wealthiest Jewish citizen.) Rupert started out following his father's profession as a journalist. However, I do not believe the Murdoch's possessed the financial resources that Rupert was later able to deploy. If you follow his business dealings, there are strong indications of Jewish backing, for which his mother's Jewishness would offer an explanation.

(However, it may also be argued that Jewish money was behind the media empire of Silvio Berlusconi, for example, who was certainly not Jewish, but was perhaps favoured because of his family's brave resistance to Fascism.)

What is quite certain is that Rupert Murdoch's enterprises lie within the Jewish sphere of influence. Please examine who runs them! Look at the top names!

 

Pity you aren't a historian then. How can you be neutral when you believe that humans, rather than having a common goal, are pitted against each other - whites vs blacks vs Jews vs Muslims vs . . ?

Irish descent on his mum's side. Scottish descent on his father's side. I can see how a racialist may be confused by the idea of someone having ancestors from more than one village, but apparently he did.

So under your theory, there are no self-made people, only Jew-made people? Fascinating, but rather sad.

Going by Wikipedia he looks quite the fascist himself.

Surnames are passed down from the father while "Jewishness" is passed down through the mother. So even if there's some hypothetical very Jewish family going back generations with a very Jewish name, all it takes is one or two intermarriages for the two to have no relation.

Doesn't that present a problem to your theory?

 

That seems very unusual; is this practised? What are the consequences to the children?

 

Supposedly it's due to rapes and unknown fathers during some long past military occupation. Consequences? Similar to any mixed religious marriage, I guess - depends on how the parents choose to raise their children. I suppose people who marry out of a religion generally aren't that religious to start off with, but their children might want to be. That's where official recognition comes in. Apparently this is quite complicated.

According to:

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

Christianity is mostly like reformed Judaism - anyone raised Christian, possibly with a baptism / confirmation depending on the branch, is Christian.

How does it work in Islam?

 

If you cannot spot the error in the "logic" of this supposition, I don't think I can help you.

You are surely not saying that Murdoch earned his millions as a journalist. He seemed to be able to command financial resources that were outside the reach of the Murdoch family. Regular journalists cannot just start buying up newspapers.

Then I suggest you research the matter more closely.

Murdoch's deputy: Peter Chernin -- Jewish.
Fox Entertainment Group: Gail Berman -- Jewish.
DirecTV: Mitchell Stern -- Jewish.
Harper Collins: Jane Friedman -- Jewish.
Fox Filmed Entertainment: Thomas Rothman -- Jewish.
Well, do you reckon any of those just sound Jewish -- but aren't?

Murdoch has always been a strong supporter of Zionism. Fox News has been one of the chief sponsors of the Jewish neoconservative agenda. Far from being exceptions, Murdoch's businesses exemplify Jewish control of the media. No reasonable person can say different.

 

If everything you say is filtered through the supposition of racial competition, why would I want your help?

I have no idea how he earned his millions. But wikipedia seems to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch#Start_of_business_career

I plan to.

It's entirely possible.

There have been non-Jewish supporters of Zionism. Evangelicals who see Israel as a chance to spur the apocalypse. Until the asymmetry of the occupation, some left wingers supported Israel as the underdog. After Israel's military might became obvious, some right wingers supported Israel as the overdog. Israel is currently America's biggest bet in the middle east, so American news will currently be biased towards it.

 

Interesting.

You're a Muslim if you say you are a Muslim. :shrug:

If either of your parents are, people generally ask, if both parents are, they assume you must be; but even if no one in your family is Muslim and you say you are one, that is enough.