Which Political Party is the Best?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Jack_Quack, May 22, 2004.

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What is your political affiliation?

  1. Communist

    5 vote(s)
    12.8%
  2. Left Wing

    10 vote(s)
    25.6%
  3. Moderate

    16 vote(s)
    41.0%
  4. Right Wing

    4 vote(s)
    10.3%
  5. Fascist

    4 vote(s)
    10.3%
  1. crazy151drinker Registered Senior Member

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    Depends on the Issue. Both sides have good ideas and some really bad ones.
    Overall im on the Right. I just cant agree with the Left on Gun Control.
     
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  3. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Individualism is over-rated. Theres nothing wrong with faith in a mass ideology, it keeps you in society. People are unintelligable outside of society.

    Mass ideological movements have always ended up in disasters. The US, the UK, these powers have maintained their status as great powers because of the individualism they extol. Although that era is slowly but surely coming to an end in the US with the ideological swing towards "hybrid fascism", the downfall of the US seems a certainty I am not a libertarian, nor am I a socialist. But I agree that there has to be a certain gov't intervention in the social affairs of the population, but that the individual should always have a right to have rights. Mass ideological movements bringing in the masses (sans culottes) will always end up as an anti-thetical movement. From the French revolution to the Russian revolution the ideals of those revolutions were destroyed by the meek and ignorant masses. If a state goes into mass ideology I weep for the future, the dialectic should not die.
     
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  5. crazy151drinker Registered Senior Member

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    Once again im going to have to agree with Undie....
    What is this world coming too?
     
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  7. Undecided Banned Banned

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    They don't call it Armageddon for nothing...
     
  8. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    I’d say that anyone claiming that the left and right in America are too similar to be really distinguished from one another needs to pay a little more attention. I’ll readily admit that in big campaigns, presidential campaigns especially, the candidates generally make a mad dash for the center, in an atempt to appeal to a broad base of voters, but when you look at what our elected officials are up to while in office, pay attention to what your representatives are saying, and what your own president is doing, then the difference becomes quite clear.

    At the moment, the American Right wing, is dominated by so-called neocons (hell bent on American military domination of the world. . . and if that sounds a bit reactionary or grandiose, check out their own site http://www.NewAmericanCentury.org ). Meanwhile the religious conservatives seem hell bent on sending America into the dark ages, and asserting Christian dominance over the US. Bush is both a neocon and an evangelical Christian, and his policies have very much reflected that, and as this election year really swings into gear he panders to his base more and more. Be it funding faith based organizations with public money, banning stem-cell research, funding only abstinence-only sex “education” programs in public schools, or attempting to ban, on a constitutional level, same sex marriages, Bush, his administration, and the religious Right Wing have been clear in their message to the rest of America: We’ll stop at nothing to turn our morals into your law.

    As always, the American right is still highly organized, to the point where it seems that conservative pendants as well as the rank and file must be receiving faxes of speaking points from the white-house every morning. Accusations of the American right wing of being Fascist have perhaps never been so accurate as they are under the current administration. So far reaching is their power right now, that calling someone leftist, or liberal is considered an insult, and even a dirty word.

    The more left leaning people and parties in America, on the other hand are, as always, a bit more disorganized, and not quite so unified. Though through this entire election the Democrats have seemed to be pulling together much more than usual. I think we have Howard Dean to thank for the fact that the DNC candidate, John Kerry is able to talk negatively about Bush’s handling of Iraq, and honestly it’s about time the Democrats found a little bit of backbone. Kerry is by no means a liberal, of course, certainly his politicos are a bit left of center, but standing up there in the spotlight he’s doing his best to stay fairly vague, and hard to place, and really has yet to find any sort of message or appeal other than “I’m not Bush”. This, however, may well be enough, as while Bush is busy running his own campaign, his constant blunders and mishandling are also driving the Kerry campaign, as essentially at this point the Kerry campaign is nothing more than the fact that Bush is a complete ass (and so far that puts Kerry in the lead). There’s not a whole hell of a lot that we can be certain about when it comes to Kerry at the moment, except a few vague implications that he wants a broader coalition, and possibly UN involvement to help settle down Iraq, and that he might want to repeal Bush’s tax cuts. I don’t think we can accuse him of playing his cards too soon, but he’d better give us a better idea of what he’s all about sometime soon, I’d hate to see him try and run on resentment toward Bush alone.

    Aside from the DNC proper there seems to be a wonderful resurgence of liberal activity in the US of late. There have been pro-choice rallies in Washington, and the civil rights battle for same-sex couples is still in full swing. This can be a bit dangerous for Kerry, however, especially with the more clearly liberal Ralph Nader running. At this point I think most rational minded liberals must realize that no matter how tempting it may be to vote for Nader we just can’t afford to bother paying him any heed in this election; there’s no chance that he’ll win, and if too many votes go his way then it’s another four years for Bush, and then we’ll all be in a real mess.

    In short, the American right is run by radical fundamentalist wackos hell bent on building a Christian nation, and US dominated world, and the left is either sick to death and screaming murder, or trying to play it cool and ride the wave of resentment right into the white-house. For everyone’s sake I certainly hope that it’ll be enough to oust Bush, even if Kerry is just another slimy politico, he doesn’t seem the type to try to hold the threat of perpetual war over our head to get his way, or start lying to the nation to go to war. Kerry also doesn’t seem to be as against homosexual rights as Bush, and that’s really a sore point for me in particular (being that I’d like to finally see a president who’s in favor of homosexual rights), but you can’t win them all, and at least Kerry isn’t the sort of man to drive me into a murderous rage at being so hopelessly pig headed, and outright evil.
     
  9. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Unfortunately your description is far too vague to accurately or usefully describe communism. In fact it's actually a better description of society in general than anything else, as a capitalist society could be described in the exact same terms. Capitalism would be a system whereby people work together under agreements of mutual agreement to mutual benefit. I suppose the primary difference in communism is that the agreement to benefit others is compulsory, and rather than working for your own benefit you’re always working for the benefit of others. Sort of sounds like a few jobs I’ve had, in my life, though, ha.
     
  10. You Killed Jesus 14/88 Registered Senior Member

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    The great aryan race must be preserved, so fascism is the best option.
     
  11. Dreamwalker Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    We can only survive as a monolithic body.
    A collective.
    The best party is wes!
    All hail wes!
    We are wes, Wes is we.
     
  12. Jack_Quack GO FLAMES GO Registered Senior Member

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    I bet you all would disagree with fascism if that was your current government. You would have no rights, and would be surprised and controlled. It is definitely the worst choice.
     
  13. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    WESDOUBLEPLUSGOOD! WES SAYS: COMRADES! WES LEAD U INTO NEXT CENTURY! WESGOOD! VAPORIZENONWES! WEAREWES! WESISWE! HAILWES!
     
  14. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Ha, we are getting pretty close to a fascist regime, and a lot of people are up in arms about it.
     
  15. Jack_Quack GO FLAMES GO Registered Senior Member

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    Who is we?
     
  16. Jack_Quack GO FLAMES GO Registered Senior Member

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    Doubleplusgood, i love that book. I have heard of you wesians. I will have to fight your regime, by, well in the end really nothing. And upon returning to society loving wes. Now how does that poem go again?
     
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  17. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    I'm moderate, although I prefer the term Independant. That way I'll still exist without the left or righties.

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  18. travis Registered Senior Member

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    Political parties are all the same because they all have the same supervisors. There is only one political party and that is the media party. The right thinks the media is left and the left thinks the media is right. Both are right and both are wrong. The media plays both sides. All politicians must answer to the media. The monolithic mass media is at the top of the power structure, or as some would say, the top of the food chain.
     
  19. buffys Registered Loser Registered Senior Member

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    your partly right, you just have the biggest and second biggest dangers backwards.
     
  20. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    I say bring back the whigs.

    Really, all the parties have their pros and cons, the biggest problem that inevitably occurs is entrenched bureacracy. The "ideals" for which each party supposedly stands fades away in time and the main function is to maintain the status quo. An interesting concept applied in some communist countries is to never end the revolution. Maintain the status quo by never admitting that the status quo has been established in the first place. China is probably the most successful at this method. Court the young, because that is where revolutionary fervor lies, and point them at the target of your choice. All in the name of revolution... that is the status quo. Here in America, we simply inundate our children with pleasurable pasttimes to attempt to hold off the revolutionary zeal, reduce their attention span so that they won't have the wherewithal to carry the revolution farther than shoplifting or other antisocial behavior.

    I agree with buffys about the dangers of the press. Something must be done eventually, unfortunately I have no idea just what should (could) be done. Nationalising the press is definitely not the answer. And it certainly seems we can't depend upon the benevolence of those who own the media. All they want is more money. Journalistic integrity is a thing of the past. If it was even real back then and not just media hype.

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  21. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    Under the spreading chestnut tree
    I sold you and you sold me
    There lie they, and here lie we
    Under the spreading chestnut tree
     
  22. jps Valued Senior Member

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    The concept of the never-ending revolution is quite the opposite of what you've described here. There is a difference between claiming a revolution has never ended to suppress dissent and the concept of an ongoing revolution.
     
  23. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    Are you inquiring as to parties or philosophies?

    I'm a secular conservative, what an abomination!

    Regardless I think political parties generally suck and I don't associate with one.
     

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