Which can be prime--free will or GOD's will?

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  1. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Hello,

    This question irritated my mind:-

    Which can be prime--free will or GOD's will?


    Best wishes.
     
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  3. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    This is only a problem if God is transcendant and we are separate, not a part of God
     
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  5. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Probably, HE may be a mediator to prime force (prime force created or independant?) and both exist in everything.

    There should be a freedom/independant entity to free will, which may be the nature of everything.
     
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  7. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    In the animal world, including humans, there's no such thing as "free will". It's a myth that's been foisted upon humans by the more ego-centric of the bunch to make themselves seem more important than they are.

    We humans really like to think that we're important, that we're different to animals of the world, that we're better, don't we?

    Baron Max
     
  8. Satyr Banned Banned

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    Well any religious imbecile will tell you that man’s “free-will” should freely adhere to God’s “free-will”, thusly including three undefined and unproven concepts within a single sentence.

    Of course, as another religious idiot would say, you can only “know” God’s “free-will” if you first surrender yours to it, thusly using these unproven un-defined concepts to push your head further up your colon.
     
  9. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, that takes care of the religious imbeciles and idiots, what about regular, normal, sane religious people?

    Baron Max
     
  10. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Don't other animals excercise free will?
     
  11. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    god's will is prime since it has the ability to shape the framework that we exhibit our free will in - for instance you may be thirsty and want some orange juice but water is only available - so you have a range of options available to exercise your free will but ultimately acquiring orange juice is not one of them
     
  12. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Nature's system, prakriti, Niyti are few words, which are preprorammed, which even GOD don't interfere/assert its power on it under normal circumstanses. Prameshwari (extreme/supreme Goddess/Force) is also indicate in hindu religion.

     
  13. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    In most cases, at least in the wild, animals actually exercise more "fee will" than humans do!

    But neither have free will ...we're taught what to do and how to do it from birth. All that teaching and training removes any ideals like "free will". Everything we do or want to do is influenced by all of that early training. That's not "free" will ...it's actually someone else's will.

    Baron Max
     
  14. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Yes but don't they have any inbuilt knowledge? Different species can't be taught similarily. It indicates that some inbult specific knowledge at birth exists.
     
  15. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Instincts? If that's what you mean, then sure, but human babies have instincts, too. Most animals grow to maturity much faster than humans, and so the instincts are exhibited earlier. But that doesn't mean that humans don't have instincts.

    I'm just not sure what you mean by that?

    Baron Max
     
  16. Satyr Banned Banned

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    Any time the usage of the word “God” is included in the sentence, as with this thread, you are dealing with a religious idiot.

    What is more interesting and modern than a retarded mind thrashing about using terms it can neither define nor prove, but only presume as meaning something.
     
  17. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, ya' mean like "love" and such silly, retarded emotions?

    Baron Max
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Are you always this understanding and compassionate towards others? Or did you make a special effort this one time?

    Baron Max
     
  19. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    You used the word "God" in your statement, therefore, you are a self-proclaimed religious idiot.
     
  20. Satyr Banned Banned

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    No, sometimes I'm a bastard.

    Wisdom_Seeker
    So did you....

    But yes I eleive in non-belief.
    you clever ass.
     
  21. Kumar Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks. Instincts: Good word to understand free will dependant on natural principles.

     

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