Whence comes logic

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Speakpigeon, Dec 13, 2018.

  1. river

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    Logic , the esseence of logic , comes knowledge , bottom line
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Logic is the root and essence of determinism, not the gathering of knowledge which is a human ability and discipline.
     
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  5. river

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    Disagree

    And both the root and determination are based on some particular knowledge .
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Only the inherent knowledge of relative values and functions woven into the fabric of spacetime, the quantum fields.
     
  8. river

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    What is inherent about any of these ?
     
  9. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Observation note-taking and memory gather in data, which become knowledge only after reasoning has processed them and logic has organized them into a retrievable pattern.
     
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  10. river

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    Agreed

    But knowledge changes all the time , hence reason does and logic does .
     
  11. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Admirable in some ways, but not necessary. All frills, compared to figuring out how to open a walnut.
     
  12. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    No. Whatever size and shape garment you sew, the needle and scissors don't change. New variants on the scissors and needle may be invented for the sewing-on of distinct specialized frills, but the principles of cutting and sewing don't change.
     
  13. river

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    What has this got to with the OP ?
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You realize it's a metaphor, right?
    It is as topical to the OP as your comment to which it replies.
     
  15. river

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    The metaphor is irrelevant

    Ah ...so knowledge , reason and logic is static then .

     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You of all people are not really in a good position to just start labeling people's contributions as irrelevant. That'll backfire pretty badly.

    Did you just ... respond to yourself? Did you just say something from one side of your brain that the other side of your brain found enlightening?

    How many of you are there in there?
     
  17. river

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    So be it , I stand by my thinking .


    My understanding of things grows

    My attitude towards understanding of this Universe grows , hence my knowledge , reason and logic grows .
     
  18. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    It was a response to your claim that the if knowledge changes, reason and logic change.
    No. They are the tools with which we process data. Sensory input enters the brain, is routed to the appropriate area, where it becomes information. Reason then classifies that information and compares it with previously stored information; logic, which is systematic reasoning, tests and evaluates the new information. If it's useful and fits into a pattern, it's stored in long-term memory as knowledge.
    The analogy is to a piece of fabric coming into a tailor's workshop, being checked for flaws, evaluated for what kind of garment it will make, cut, fitted and sewn.
    The tailor doesn't need a new kind of implement for each garment he produces, but he does sometimes need to modify his standard tools for a new kind of fabric.
     
  19. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Plus, I thought it was relevant as an extension of my previous comment on logical formulas, metaphors and frills.
    I don't suppose river would know about that.
     
  20. river

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    And all change

    Regardless of sensory input , put to the Brain . Knowledge evolves and so does the sensory input to the Brain .

    The periodic table , is based on logic
     
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    You mean, heat feels different on the skin of someone who knows the periodic table than on that someone who doesn't? I didn't notice a difference.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This may be of interest.
    A perfectly patternless piano sonata. It's named "the beautiful math behind the world's ugliest music ever written", because it is written as a truly patternless tonal and rhythmical progression. It was composed by a mathematician and has no repeating themes of any kind (completely patternless), which normally provide emotional relief and satisfaction. It's really strange...it has no logical value at all!

    https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_rickard_the_beautiful_math_behind_the_ugliest_music#t-663927

    and in this "watch me play the audience":
    Watch logic in action and everyone gets it.
    https://www.ted.com/talks/bobby_mcferrin_hacks_your_brain_with_music
     
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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, all the former use applied mathematics to present their proofs by means of mathematical language, no?

    Higgs boson comes to mind.
     

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