Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Bowser, Mar 9, 2018.

  1. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

    So the question is, when did you come into being?

    When the Big Bang occured?
    When matter condensed into stars and galaxies?
    When the Milky Way formed?
    When the Sun first ignited into light and heat?
    When the Earth came into existence?
    When life first emerged on Earth's surface?
    When men descended down from the trees?
    When your father had that dirty gleam in his eye?
    When cells began dividing within your mother's womb?
    When you were born and first opened your eyes?
    When you became an individual of thought and reflection?

    I haven't an answer, but thought I would throw out the question.

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  3. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

    Not read any of his works but I would contend

    When the Big Bang occured?

    Proto me - up to

    Conception (you missed this one) - early me

    Still early me

    Early independent me

    Independent and thoughtful me

    Died - dead me - no longer considered me by society

    After that a slow scattering of me until the end of the Universe

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  5. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

    He's an interesting guy. I like his thinking.
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  7. gmilam Valued Senior Member

    Judgment call - was it when my parents combined their egg & sperm or was it when I was born?

    Either way, I don't remember much of anything until the early 1960s. There are only a handful of fragmented dreamlike memories for the first 4 to 5 years or so.
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

    There's no one point; it's a continuum. The person I consider "me" has been around for about 15 years. Before that it was still mostly me but pretty different. I can be sure of that back to about age 2, which is the earliest I can remember (and that was just one memory.)
  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    Somewhere in there.

    We are stardust.
    We are golden.
    And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden.

    -- Joni Mitchell​

    I am still in the process of becoming me.
  10. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

    I like that.
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    I actually divided my life up into phases.

    Child Dave: clay, waiting to be molded
    Proto Dave: On the opening day of Star Wars, I became Nerd Dave
    The Lost Years: Had just a job - no identity, no direction
    Adult Dave: Found my career in software
    Sailor Dave: Sailing came into my life. While surely still have an adventurous life ahead, I'm not sure I'll fundamentally change.
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

    A human being is not about the raw materials, but about the assembled pattern. The raw materials are cheap; the hard part is putting them together in just the right way.

    Also, very few of the atoms making up your body now were there when you were born, or when you were 8 years old, say. Some things about the pattern of you persist through time, but mostly the raw materials are continually in a state of flux as you live your life. The cells that were "you" in your mother's womb mostly aren't in "you" any more.

    In a lot of ways, too, you are an illusion created by your brain. That feeling you have that there's somebody behind your eyes looking out at the world doesn't really stand close examination, as people who are familiar with meditation will often tell you.

    If there really is no "you", then you never came into being. Perhaps it's more meaningful to talk about when you started to think there was a "you".
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  14. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

    As far as meditation goes, there is a consensus there is a false ego (identity that pertains to things that will cease to exist. Eg. the body, the mind, etc), but whether this spells the final last word in selfhood is a subject of debate.
    If "you" is an illusion, how would that be meaningful?
  15. river

    YOU has never been an illusion .

    YOU , is your individuality , manifested in your physical form and thinking .
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  16. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

    I would not be an individual if not for YOU.

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