When does no, mean no?

I was answering the OP, when does no mean no.

And to me he admitted to the rape.

Looks of other things muddy the waters when considering taking a case to trial in many instances. They of course have to be careful not to take the case to trial when they don't feel they have enough to convict.

 

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You have to look at the whole situation and cant go by snippets of information. Also the time elapsed between so yes he tried again and that is when the sexual contact happened.

So now we see two crimes. One would be breaking and entering but then why was he not arrested for that? Because she told him to "jimmy" the door to get in and must be true because she CALLED him on the phone not to stand outside but to come in. Sounds strange to me. I am not saying there were no crimes committed either because we STILL do not have all the information and order of events.

Not to mention her own attorney does not seem to have pursued this further either which afaik he had a right to do.

 

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So on the one hand you agree but want to disagree with us or actually our interpretation of how this case would go when a defense attorney gets involved?

 

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And it is unfortunate but defense attorneys get people off who did much more\worse and there are dangerous repeat offenders walking the streets too. We can impose the "three strikes" rule but peole fight against it.

 

I agree that it was rape.

I don't know enough about the legal proceedings as to whether they have enough to convict.

Keeping in mind that a lot of people get away with crimes, that doesn't mean a crime didn't occur.

 

Well i agree with you on some points because i have a very low tolerance for these crimes but i cant say that they made a mistake here either because there is a lot of conflicting information. I cant convict someone via the internet either though and regardless we dont have access to the all the information.

 

Agreed.

What I have been suggesting is that if the defendent himself is admitting that she said no. What relevance is her testimony. She was drunk and can't remember everything but in the end it doesn't matter because he himself agreed that she said no.

It's like if I hit you on the head so hard that you can't remember anything but think I might have done it. After asking me I said yes I did it, but since you can't remember it doesn't matter.

 

has it been mentioned about the types of women that like to be dominated and therefore when they say No it means they want you to take them with a certain amount of force? ( i only read the first post and the last post) i assume as much with the title of the thread..but i have had several women tell me that this is a true concept...

IE..stop..don't..stop..don't.stop.don't.stop.don't stop. don't stop...

 

I think it wise to not assume any woman is saying no for that reason.

My wife and I play these games from time to time. But we discuss it ahead of time.

If I made a sexual advance towards my wife and she said no, then I would take it as no. Otherwise, it would be against her will.

I can't imagine a scenario where that would work as an excuse.

 

My mental retardation?

LOL

You just couldn't stay away from making this into a personal attack could you?

You really need to learn to discuss things in a rational manner without stooping to ad hominum attacks.

Since you can't be civil this will be my last reply to you:

They ALL knew of his confession,

BUT still

The Greeley police chief agreed the case wasn’t winnable.

The Boulder district attorney agreed the case wasn't winnable. (and NO, this was not a public issue at the time, Buck got this opinion after he talked to the girl)

The editorial board of The Greeley Tribune agreed with Buck’s decision.

So there you have it.

People who actually understand the case and the issues and the law and the community don't agree with you.

Either they felt his statements could be defused by a good defense attorney or there were other things in her testimony that we haven't seen that would negate them.

Arthur

 

Bells,

Which makes me wonder. If a guy spikes his date's drink with a date/rape drug and has sex with her while she is unconcious is it rape then ?

This is basically what has occurred here the only difference is that she got herself drunk.

There is no excusing his continuation at that point.

 

You actually have to ask?

Yes, that is rape.

Arthur

 

I asked because it's no different.

 

Giving someone a date rape drug is much more serious and probably has additional cahrges.

Not really.

Some things that a defense attorney would bring up here are "where were you when you were drinking?" How did you get home?" The reason i say they would bring this up is because normally people pass out closer to and in the vicinity of the consumption. See where this goes?

AND i am not saying the guy was not wrong.

 

pappl, it is different to drug someone without their knowledge or consent.

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Except when people play scenarios like that, they discuss it ahead of time and agree on a safe word, so when someone wants to say no for real, they can.

 

you are talking husband wife secnarios..(or serious girlfriend) i suppose this could qualify for others also..but the women i have talked to never say anything about that..but then again i suppose the women that i have questioned do not think things through, and tend to be involved in abusive relationships anyway..
btw..i have difficulty being that person for them because i do believe no means no..this is why i have questioned women about this thing..whats to prevent them from crying rape if your 'hangy down thingy' doesn't meet their expectations..

 

no i did not. i didn't know the charges also included breaking and entering. that entirely changes my opinion.

i never said he didn't rape her bells.

i am NOT excusing the rapist.

no. i, in no circumstances, accept the "but i'm a man" excuse.

and i don't say no to my husband. i have a conjugal duty. it's a tough job.

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He wasn't.
In her phone call to him he said she told him how to get in and she did not dispute that.
When the DA mentioned that she told him how to get in as a reason to not press the charges she did not dispute it then either.

Arthur