Whats Your Views On War?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Anarcho Union, Feb 18, 2010.

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Can war ever be justified?

  1. Yes, when we are attacked first

    12 vote(s)
    52.2%
  2. Yes, when its econimacly better for the country

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Yes, if we are defending someone

    2 vote(s)
    8.7%
  4. Yes (other reason)

    5 vote(s)
    21.7%
  5. No, we need to resolve terriost attacks peacefully

    1 vote(s)
    4.3%
  6. No, poverty is always better than death

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. No, its not are place to defend someone else

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. No (other reason)

    3 vote(s)
    13.0%
  1. Anarcho Union No Gods No Masters Registered Senior Member

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    No war in particuler, but do you think war can ever be justified?
    What if we are attacked? What if we attack for the better of the country?
    So many people say that war is never justified, but I disagree.
    Whats your thoughts?
     
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  3. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    No multiple choice?
     
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  5. Anarcho Union No Gods No Masters Registered Senior Member

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    I noticed that after, but I dont think theres a way to edit the poll.
    Sorry :/
    ANSWER THE SELECTIONS THAT SAY "OTHER" IF THEIR ARE MULTIPLE THAT YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR AND EXPLAIN IN THREAD
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I'd say that if your land was being attacked by another land then you should have the right to defend yourself.

    Many wars are only manufactured by arms dealers so they can make lots of money for themselves.

    Another reason is to put fear into people so they will do as they are told or else they get sent away to a war.

    So there are justifications for wars but not all of the time.
     
  8. Anarcho Union No Gods No Masters Registered Senior Member

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    agreed.
     
  9. Alien Cockroach Banned Banned

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    I do not consider it to be "war" to intervene on behalf of human rights.
     
  10. Anarcho Union No Gods No Masters Registered Senior Member

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    Any act of strong disagrement between one or more living things can be considered war.
    War can even be acted upon yourself.
    War ussaly ends in violent attempts of domantion, but it doenst have to be.
     
  11. kororoti Registered Senior Member

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    I think war is justified if it's used as a means to defend against extortion or other injustice. What is not justified is when we use war as tool to commit extortion or other injustice against others.

    If a bully walks up to you and demands your lunch money, saying he'll hurt you if you don't concede, then (if you can), it is your civic duty to beat the shit out of him. Otherwise, he's just going to go do it to someone else.

    Terrorism always takes exactly this form. "You do X for us, or Y will happen to you."

    The pacifist response is to refuse to give the bully what they want, and then just let the bully beat you up for it. (But still not concede.) The trouble is that, if you go that road, the bully eventually starts using methods that put you in the hospital or kill you.

    The intermediate response is to refuse, then only engage in the minimal amount of fighting necessary to defend yourself. Maybe they pull out a club, and you just block and/or dodge all of their attacks until they get tired of swinging. Trouble with that tactic is eventually the bully will get the idea to ambush you with some friends, or kill you in your sleep, or they might just get lucky after they try enough times. It's a supreme form of arrogance to think that you can win a purely defensive war without inflicting any harm on your enemies. Besides, the other problem is that they'll never stop bothering you, unless it costs them something.
     
  12. NECROSHADE 50 Registered Member

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    its ****ed up that kides in this world ar in war. Its ****ed up that kids have to try to cope with this bull ****. So how are we going to deal with it.if we cant even deal with are own ****. So what are we going to do. Just drop a nuke on them what. please email back.
     
  13. kororoti Registered Senior Member

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    I think the problem with most wars in this world is that they are not attempts to institute social justice. The one war I can be sure was justified would be the American Revolutionary War fought against Great Britain. Without it, the USA would have not have become a democracy.

    The Afghanistan and Iraq wars claim justification in a similar way, but apparently the people there don't want us to intervene in the way we're doing it, and/or we are failing in our objective anyway, so we might need to call it off.
     
  14. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    All war is justified!
    By someone, somewhere, for something...

    I think being physically attacked, preferably in a direct invasion, is the one true justification for war. Period.
    One exception is if you have a legitimate ongoing treaty/relationship with a country AKA a true alliance of some sort.
    And the caveat there would be if the ally had been attacked. And the ally had not blatantly provoked the attack.
    Of course a second caveat would be NOT to enter such a treaty with just any country, including but not limited to countries with a history of troublemaking or provocateuring.
    Choose your allies wisely! Such as a country who also believes in the above.
    • Peace at all costs.
    • Only attack when in defense.
    • No hasty preemptive air strikes in another country based on this or that intelligence reporting.
    Oh, yeah... no staging some event to make it look like the other side. False-flag. Unfortunately, the suspicious clues indicating such an attack only come out after a hasty retaliation, when it is too late to halt an escalation to war. But that's just my opinion... oh! Conspiracies...

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    Well, shiver me timbers! :xctd:
    Every damn country should be at war, then? I'll go get my slingshot! Mexico's first. Then I'll be in Canada in a week. And then... garsh. Probably Belgium. Then Iraq. Then Israel. Then Iran. Then South Africa. Then back to the US. And then Denmark. Then the UK...

    I'll probably take shore-leave after that.
     
  15. desi Valued Senior Member

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    If you can make a financial profit from it such as America supplying jobs to many of its government workers and contractors, or the arms industry making money selling guns and bullets I can see why war would be an attractive option.

    For most of us I suspect we'd rather live in peace and if we had our choice the money for war would be spent fixing pot holes in Omaha.
     
  16. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Just to play the devil's advocate, I will say that wars are natural. It is nature's way to limit overpopulation. Justification for it is really irrelevant...

    Just look at any predator species. What happens to them when they get too big in numbers? They either die of starvation or they fight for hunting land, eventually reducing their numbers. Same with humans...

    ...and before some idiot says that peacefully everyone could have enough food, no, EVERY land has a carrying capacity and peacefully (without any population controll) sooner or later we would always surpass that with all these advantages in medicine and such...
     
  17. sine.nomine Registered Member

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    Anyone can give reasons for going to war, but does that really justify it? Humans lie, cheat, steal, deceive, and use violence from infancy. War is a natural part of humanity. Peace is learned, not war.
     
  18. kmguru Staff Member

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    Read Mahabharat. It explains the reason to go to war that is just. Human philosophy has not changed since, in any measurable way.
     
  19. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Lemme guess: women, land, food, resources, jealousy, greed, etc.etc.etc.

    More interesting question would be, why we shouldn't be waring all the time???
     
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  21. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    I don't read dead people's books. After all, they are dead for a reason...
     
  22. Jack_ Banned Banned

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    Your post is Malthusian in nature.

    This may be a good practice in the US.

    I have run the numbers from here
    http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/85.pdf
    http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p60-235.pdf

    by 2050
    A total of 85 million will be on the free public health care system paid for by everyone else.
    65 million will be on welfare, food stamps, headstart, aid to dependent families, EIC, etc, etc.

    You know why?

    The poor out-breed everyone else and then expect others to pay for their children.

    They consider these payments a "right".

    We have no natural mechanisms to control this over breeding.
     
  23. codanblad a love of bridges Registered Senior Member

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    so use population control.

    whether its natural or not, i think people conduct or enforce many types of behaviour that aren't natural.
     

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