While leftwing Europe was protesting against Saddam in the 80s when he was gassing his own people the US were supporting him. Fuck off with your bullshit of most free nation. You don't even make it into the top ten of freedom.
If it's about resources then why didn't we go into South America? They've got plenty of oil. That's where we get our imports from, and we wouldn't have to deal with Islamists. It would be relatively easy pickings compared to Iraq. Guess we just weren't thinkin huh? Tell me where I'm going wrong here and show me how we've profited economically through the Iraq war. I want specifics.
Yeah right.... the US has never interfered with South America..... I'm sure Chavez feels nice and safe. Well it not like it went to plan did it? I mean it wasnt supposed to cost so fucking much was it? By now the neoconmen were expecting Iraq to pay for itself. On the other hand Bushs' friends in the oil industry have done rather well havent they? Lots of nice new shiny contracts? Its a shame you couldnt spare a few for your ally, the UK.....
"While leftwing Europe was protesting against Saddam in the 80s when he was gassing his own people the US were supporting him. Fuck off with your bullshit of most free nation. You don't even make it into the top ten of freedom." Get a grip. We couldn't even bribe Europe into trying to do anything about Saddam. I've spent a lot of time in Europe and seen how the average guy scrapes by with half his income confiscated. Free my ass. Free to suffer under socialism. Free to wait till your parents die to own your own home. America was created as the antidote to Europe, then turned around and saved their dumb asses more than once. Now you won't do the same for someone else. Ingrates.
Yeah but you sure tried. I find it hilarious how this guy talks about how caring and wonderful the Americans are for going into Iraq and saving the people. You couldnt give a rats ass! Why are you not going into Saudi Arabia? Do you realise how fucked up that place is? North Korea? Sudan? Gonna "save" them too? Spare us the BS, you only fall back on that justification becasue you now realised that the one place in the M.E. that doesnt have WMD is Iraq!
We supported Saddam in the 80's when he was fighting the Islamonuts of Iran. As it turns out, in the long term, it was a bad decision, so lets do something to help correct it, in fact, let's do more, let's reimburse the Iraqi people by getting behind the effort to give them an eternal inuity of freedom and self determination. On board with me now all you freedom lovers?
Self determination? With the US planting the largest embassy in the World in Baghdad, and several permanent US military bases, you talk about the Iraqis having "self determination"? Give me a break.
Do you really think that bringing freedom to a place like the middle east is going to happen overnight? Do you think that a Democratic, free Iraq would not inspire people in adjacent countries ruled by totalitarians? Is your philosophy that if we can't overthrow all dictators at once that we should not act at all? Ah yes, another good reason to do nothing. How about we get behind this effort in Iraq and see if we could stabilize it within 5 years to the point that even the Europeans could take over and help provide security there. Then we could turn our attention to Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, take your pick. You with me now?
You guys have disappointed me. Won't even answer my simple questions. Guess liberals are best with questions like 'what is the meaning of is'. I'm going to turn you all in to Moveon.org as 'in need of re-education', as you've apparently forgotten your script. I hear they'll send Alec baldwin out to straighten you out. I understand he's a moral authority amongst you folks....
Red, I'm just not buying your BS, cos we've heard it all before. BUT both recent and further back in history, the US has never been interested in going around "spreading freedom". There has been NO consistency in overthrowing dictatorships and spreading democracy. The ONLY consistency is self interest, whether you help overthrow democracies (Chile, Iran) support fucked up people (Saddam, Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban) then turn on them >> Have you ever wondered why your greatest enemies of recent times have had past dealings with the US? Coincidence? Do you realise just how insidious the CIA is? Dont come on and pretend you're doing this for the good of the World. You're just looking out for number one, and sometimes that means supporting dodgy characters. Iraq is just the lastest shambles. I dont see the US ever going to "liberate" Zimbabwe anytime, ever, do you? and Saudi Arabia? Jesus are you high? Bushes closest friends? Are you going to stop supporting Pakistan? The simple fact is the US is fine with dictators (and what they do to their own people) as long as they kiss American ass. For over 50 years you've played the world like a game of chess, seeing everyone as pawns to manipulate. Iraq was simply another audacious act and it has lost you a heck of a lot of credibility. So please dont be suprised if I take your "humanitarian" angle with a pinch of salt. I wish I COULD believe you when you say you are serious about this, but it just 'aint happening.
Dear Redstate thank you for your analysis on the situation with Bush and Iraq etc.. I think Nick has summed it up quite nicely, no neeed for any further debate unless you have something new to add. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ take it ez zak
US govt took trillions of dollars loans from Federal Reserve Bank, now they have to just sit back and earn on their investment through US taxpayers (the grazing cows milking for the illuminati).
