What's the story with physics

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by alexpontik, Sep 16, 2021.

  1. alexpontik Registered Member

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    let me explain you my theory and argument...

    What is a Theory?

    Sum up your observations, and if they REALLY happen again and again, that is a theory that seems to be happening for real.

    Argument
    Physics as a science, progresses as follows:
    1.
    There is a current theory, at any given time.
    2.A candidate theory, which is more exact regarding what really is happening appears from research as a proposed new theory.
    3. Experiments have to be conducted to verify the new theory.
    4. When experiments are conducted, they can have the following results.
    5. Nothing happens, the experiments fail to show any results, which has happened in the past.
    6. Something happens, the experiments had the expected results, which has hap-pened in the past, and science keeps following its path.
    7. Something else happens...which was the case with some previous experiments...or else we wouldn't be looking for a new theory, as then all experiments would point only to something, and nothing else...but up to now, this isn't the case, and the future still happens next, and not before next happens.
    8. What seems to be happening, is that before people actually make things in their lives that do something...they make things that don't do something exactly...and they find that early at best, or late at worst...but the complete story they all know from the be-ginning, pretty consistently, it seems to me...as it could be the case with the argument I am making here and below.


    And all the above in summary is

    AXIOM: In any experiment conducted in reality, nothing can happen as a result, some-thing can happen as a result, or...something else can happen as a result.

    This is an axiom that seems consistent and complete to me, and I dare say...logical.

    Isn't it?


    Because for mathematicians up to now…
    1. “If a logical system is consistent, it cannot be complete”
    2. “The consistency of axioms cannot be proven within their own system”
    3. …and if you ask me reality for mathematicians, either is inconsistent, or incomplete…and the opposite they cannot prove to themselves within the system…before they lose their balance in reality…they have no idea…and let’s say ok with all of these but…

    …didn’t their mothers teach them anything in their lives?
     
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    We've had this nonsense before.
     
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  5. Ultron Registered Senior Member

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    It seems to me that from point 8. it drifted from logical text to kind of poetry. But maybe I just dont understand it.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It's all poetry. As in: fanciful.

    I'm not sure why the OP doesn't like the existing definition of theory. Maybe it's too succinct and universal, and the OP prefers ambiguity and sloppiness.
     
  8. alexpontik Registered Member

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    geniuses, you need to post arguments ....

    wake up idiots and read ...
     
  9. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    We have, idiot.

    A good starting point would be for you to explain why your statement: "In any experiment conducted in reality, nothing can happen as a result, some-thing can happen as a result, or...something else can happen as a result." is not idiotically obvious.
     
  10. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    He is posting this drivel on multiple sites, apparently he want everyone to know he is an idiot...
     
  11. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I saw that. Well, he won't get any more sympathetic responses elsewhere.

    But I've seen this imbecile statement, that either nothing happens or something happens [well, no shit, Sherlock], before. But I can't recall on which forum or under what name.

    P.S. Got it, it was on scienceforums . net in June. And I see he's back there now, too.

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  12. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    This is your great insight?

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  13. alexpontik Registered Member

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    geniuses stay on the subject if you think you can and stop pretending that you are funny....
    you think you are funny?
    you ain't funny yet geniuses....


    What is a Theory?

    Sum up your observations, and if they REALLY happen again and again, that is a theory that seems to be happening for real.

    Argument
    Physics as a science, progresses as follows:
    1.
    There is a current theory, at any given time.
    2.A candidate theory, which is more exact regarding what really is happening appears from research as a proposed new theory.
    3. Experiments have to be conducted to verify the new theory.
    4. When experiments are conducted, they can have the following results.
    5. Nothing happens, the experiments fail to show any results, which has happened in the past.
    6. Something happens, the experiments had the expected results, which has hap-pened in the past, and science keeps following its path.
    7. Something else happens...which was the case with some previous experiments...or else we wouldn't be looking for a new theory, as then all experiments would point only to something, and nothing else...but up to now, this isn't the case, and the future still happens next, and not before next happens.
    8. What seems to be happening, is that before people actually make things in their lives that do something...they make things that don't do something exactly...and they find that early at best, or late at worst...but the complete story they all know from the be-ginning, pretty consistently, it seems to me...as it could be the case with the argument I am making here and below.


    And all the above in summary is

    AXIOM: In any experiment conducted in reality, nothing can happen as a result, some-thing can happen as a result, or...something else can happen as a result.

    This is an axiom that seems consistent and complete to me, and I dare say...logical.

    Isn't it?


    prove me wrong if you , geniuses, think you can...
    and...stay on the subject discussed above geniuses....as
    not even one of you is funny yet.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Do not feed the trolls.
     
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  15. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Just what I was thinking, earlier this afternoon, too.

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  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    alexpontik:

    That doesn't really explain what a theory is, but I'm happy to roll with it for now. Let's keep going...

    Er... okay.

    Fine. Good.
    All seems fine to me.

    Are you worried about something?
    Yes. That's what Godel proved.
    I'm not sure about that one. Who said that?
    Not really "reality". Godel's proofs concern mathematical systems.
    That's what incompleteness means, isn't it?
    Do you have an idea?
    I'm confident they did. Is that relevant to your argument?

    What is your argument? You haven't said, so far.
    Do you have some kind of issue with geniuses? Jealous, perhaps? What's your problem?
     
  17. river

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    Backoff

    Careful you don't become the idiot .

    Insults just gets everybodies backs up ; calm discussion is better .
     
  18. river

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    The Story with Physics is that this study of reality , which exists ; is the only reality that exists .

    Life exists . Hence not only do physical things exist ; so does Life .
     
  19. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    The sum of observations is known as a fact.

    theories rely on facts to explain themselves.
     

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