What's the solution to violent islam?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by GeoffP, Jul 6, 2006.

  1. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well, these guys think the answer is "more violent islam". To the Xtreme!

    You'll note that in respect of samcdkey's hypothesis I used the phrase "violent islam" rather than "islam". It's funny how often the two are found ensemble, non? (Do I hear wedding bells?)

    Oh, Somalian islamic government, you big silly: wasn't it just the other day you were denying your creeping Talibanization? (Is there a cream for that?) But at least it's out in the open instead of creeping around and taking sequential potshots at freedom. Speaking of potshots - do you have a soccer field? I hear they're handy for public spectacles that draw people from miles around to watch sport - like executions, for instance. Not so much the soccer thing.

    Evil Western influence, you know. Don't watch FIFA. No, seriously: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-05-14-58-47)

    Execution of apostates is wrong, just so wrong - but the state has to be protected, you know! Start ignoring this law and before you know it it's a quick downward slide to falafel, holding hands in public and Israeli organ harvesting!

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    Somali Muslims warned of death
    06/07/2006 11:36 - (SA)


    Mogadishu - Somali Muslims who fail to perform daily prayers will be killed in accordance with Qur'anic law under a new edict issued by a leading cleric in the Islamic courts union that controlled the capital.

    The requirement for Muslims to observe the five-times daily ritual under penalty of death was announced late on Wednesday and appeared to confirm the hardline nature of the increasingly powerful Sharia courts in Mogadishu.

    Sheikh Abdalla Ali, a founder and high-ranking official in the Supreme Islamic Council of Somalia, said: "He who does not perform prayers will be considered as infidel and Sharia law orders that that person be killed."

    http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_1963709,00.html

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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    This question could better be phrased, what is the solution to violent humanity?

    In Somalia, climate change leading to crop failures, lack of a unified government, unchecked population growth, all stress factors that lead to extreme solutions like Islamic law. This is not limited to that nation but is typical of African problems today.
     
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  7. Genji Registered Senior Member

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    Solution to violent religion? Education, jobs, infrastructure and hope.
     
  8. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    very true, indeed good call Genji
     
  9. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    And yet the call to jihad is everywhere. University-educated men and women believe in it fervently, have committed terrorist acts in its name. What then for these? They're not uneducated. They have jobs. They have hope. What then for these?
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    GeoffP:

    see 'Munich'; its easy to get people brainwashed in a cause by appealing to their emotions, and few have the intelligence or maturity to recognize that they are pawns.
     
  11. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Well I don't know that 'Munich' would be a good example - firstly, in that it's a movie, and second in that striking back against the terrorists would seem to be a good idea.

    But if you hope to stop violent islam by eradicating emotions and raising intelligence and maturity, then you have a lot more work to do than previously imagined.
     
  12. Genji Registered Senior Member

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    Most of these youth are angry about the situations in their homelands and identify with the radical (also angry) mullahs and leaders of religious groups. GUPS (General Union of Palestinian Students) is not one of those groups. There are many Arab youth groups not shown on zionist owned tv stations in the US. Acts by anyone against Israel or the US occupation of Iraq have every right to fight back against the world's most powerful oppressors. Religion & Imperialism go hand in hand.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Damn! I can't be mad at you!

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    Ya I doubt I'll see any changes in my lifetime, if ever.
     
  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    No one can. I am evil; and, therefore, lovable.
     
  15. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Hey man, them's the breaks for living in a highly religious society.

    Personally, I say we just get rid of all the Abrahamic religions as they're all friggin' whackos and the world would be a better place without them. This goes for Muslims, Jews, and Christians. They're the ones causing all the problems in this world. Friggin' idiots believing in some superstitious mumbo jumbo. If they believe that crap, no wonder their governments are able to play em as fools.

    - N
     
  16. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    ah yes...the delicious aroma of evil.....
    go forth, my pet!!! sow dissent with your lovable ways!!!!
    *feeds geoffp a fresh soul*
     
  17. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    What was the solution to violent Christianity? I'm not sure we've actually found one. It's only been sixty years since the last outbreak. Much less, if you count the IRA.

    Well I'm relieved to see someone else trash-talking the Abrahamists even more rudely than my usual custom.

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    Still, all religions have a heavy component of "superstitious mumbo jumbo." The adherents of some, like the Hindus, manage to muddle through despite it and advance civilization. What distinguishes Abrahamism so that its people over and over again bring civilization to--and sometimes over--the brink of destruction?

    Abrahamism suppresses the human spirit with its oversimplified binary model of it. Patriarchal monotheism tells us that so much of what is inside us is "evil" and we have to renounce it. That is of course impossible so we just hide it and pretend it's not there. It festers in our "shadow," as Jung calls it, until it starts seeping out the cracks and doing hurtful things. Or worse, one day we let our guard down and it gains control. When that happens to an individual he does something dreadful that he regrets for the rest of his life.

    When that happens to an entire society there's no limits to the evil it can do, up to and including the obliteration of an entire civilization.

    Egypt. Aztec. Inca. Three of the world's six, destroyed by Abrahamists.

    Abrahamism is at a crossroads today. Its two major sects are poised to destroy their own civilization: Mesopotamian with its Greco-Roman and other branches. If that happens, it will leave the remaining two--China and India--in charge of the world.
     
  18. AmishRakeFight Remember, remember. Registered Senior Member

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    Is there a clear cut solution to this problem? Does the answer lie with educating the ignorant masses? Good jobs? Infrastructure? Theocide?

    Look to history; the Middle Ages can teach us a lot about this subject. The Christians and the Muslims during the Middle Ages can be safely said to be about equal in their war mongering, education, infrastructure, and violence. But then, as history progresses, the Europeans (and therefore, the Christians in Europe) started exploring, building up their infrastructure, improving their government system, advancing in the sciences and the arts, and colonized more land. But apparently history progresses slower in the desert, because the majority of the Middle-Eastern area progressed little to none from the Middle Ages. The infrastructure has improved from 1100's standards, but by today's standards, it is still very poor. Education still teaches Islam daily and (judging by diamondheart's posts) apparently teaches that the Islamic nations invented legions of things that it didn't.

    So now, come back to today. The Christians in European nations haven't caused a fraction of the trouble that Muslims in Middle Eastern nations have in recent history up to today. Why is this? I have to say that Genji is very right in that educating, employing, and putting Middle Eastern money to work building up Middle Eastern infrastructure is the way to go.

    AmishRakeFight
     
  19. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, I guess I should have been a bit more specific. I should say those that take that superstitious mumbo jumbo and reinact it and carry out violence in their name. Let's not forget that it was the Muslims that invaded India in their conquest to spread what they felt was right (mmm, sounds like the U.S. and democracy.. religion and government are quite the same) which resulted in the violent break-off and the creation of Pakistan many years later.

    I mean, hey, every religion has had their wars, but man, none have been as bad as the Abrahamic religions. Friggin' ridiculous!

    I'm curious as to what you have in mind that Islamic nations claimed to have invented yet didn't.

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  20. AmishRakeFight Remember, remember. Registered Senior Member

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    I don't have the list, nor do I know how to find it ,(as it was posted several monthes ago) but I do remember that it was just a big list of basically everything ever invented. I cannot give enough praise to the early Islamic nations for inventing many, many things, but the list posted by DiamondHearts was literally a huge list of everything invented.

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  21. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    There is no solution.

    As long as people continue to believe in gods, there will always be violence from religion.
     
  22. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    My theory is that it is their oh-so-itchy beards that make militant islamists so cranky.
    Have them all shaved in the middle of the night.
     
  23. Voodoo Child Registered Senior Member

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    That could be plausible: those orthodox jews are stroppy bastards as well. What about the Amish though? Perhaps the lack of moustache reduces itchiness. They believe that moustaches are a sign of militariness... perhaps they're on to something.
     

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