What's new in Syria

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  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Your reference says he was killed in a Syrian Air Force strike, not a Russian air strike. And most experts I have heard, do not think he was killed by Russian forces.
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well, given ISIS has been steadily losing ground in Iraq as the reconstituted Iraqi Army, with US aid and support, has been steadily regaining lost territory from ISIS, yeah, ISIS is under stress...significant stress and the territory it holds is shrinking. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/27/middleeast/iraq-isis-ramadi/

    By March of 2015, ISIS had lost 25% of the Iraqi territory it once held.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/isis-lost-25-percent-territory-held-iraq-us/story?id=29625568

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-conflict-in-maps-photos-and-video.html?_r=0

    The chart below should be disturbing to Russia. It details where ISIS is sourcing its fighters and Mother Russia ranks just below Saudi Arabia as a leading supplier of ISIS fighters. This will probably be Putin's ticket to "president for life" just as the Chechen rebellion and Putin's apartment bombings were his ticket to the Russian presidency.

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27838034
     
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  5. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Not really. With 10 per million for a country with a lot of muslim population and serious experience in fighting terror, in comparison with 8 per million in Germany, and 18 per million in France, there are others who should be much more disturbed. Especially if one takes into account that many of the guys from Russia (many from Chechnya and Dagestan) who have traveled to Syria were experienced fighters travelling because Russia was too difficult, while those from Germany and France had no such problems at home.

    By the way, these fighters from Russia were one major reason for the Russian action in Syria. It is clearly better decimating them there than in Russia.
     
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  7. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Turkey seems not to react to the YPG crossing of the "red line" of the Euphrat. It seems, they take the 1% Arabs in the SDF as an excuse to do nothing: "Speaking at a news conference in the Serbian capital where he was on an official visit, Davutoğlu said the government's current information showed that the groups that crossed the Euphrates over the weekend were Arab rebels, not Kurdish militia forces." http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_turkey-warns-hostile-forces-west-of-euphrates_408165.html with the internet laughing. The other reaction which seems possible is a shift of the red line: https://twitter.com/DrPartizan_/status/681270987787223041

    The town Tishrin on the West side is taken, and there are various informations about taken villages around. The next big target is Manbij. Taking Manbij would be another big victory against IS.

    In Northern Latakia, some very important mountains have been taken by SAA - Al Kasab. https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/681756860920295424 and https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/681799845112315905 show that what the Syrian army seems to have reached is cutting (at least via fire control) the last big street connection between the whole region around Rabya and the Idlib / Jisr Al Shugur and Salma strongholds of the rebels. Ok, nothing deadly, above have connection to Turkey for support with weapons and fighters, and they have connection over the mountains. Nonetheless, this is IMHO the most important mountain to control in whole Latakia now - the one 1km away from the M4 junction to Rabya and another km away from another to junction to Salma.

    And, to make this finally a good day, https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/681806328550002688 claims that Maheen has been taken again. In itself, this does not mean much, this would be the 6. change of control of the city during the last three months. But, nonetheless, it means that IS is no longer able to reach much - even if they send large reinforcements, this allows them to take Maheen, but not for long, the Syrian side sends reinforcements too and takes it back.
     
  8. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    An article which supports some of my key claims about the Russian involvement in Syria: That the costs are sufficiently low (so that it does not matter if the operation needs several years) and that it has already reached important aims - namely to stop the terrorists and to allow Assad to make own advances on the ground.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-syria-idUSKBN0UB0BA20151229
     
  9. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    At the end of the year, there seem to be good news from the South. There have been claims that Sheikh Miskeen fully liberated by the Syrian Arab Army by http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/22353/
    Other sources like https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/682206630314823681 do not claim full victory, but nonetheless already the liberation of large parts of the town. Given that some people have wondered that the town has been liberated that fast, I tend to believe the claims that it has not been taken completely yet - and even the claims that the town was taken completely admitted continuing fighting in the outskirts.

    This would be a quite important victory. One can see five roads, the control of all of them seems important enough to care, in particular because this town is located near a quite thin connection via the M5 highway between Daraa and Damask. To have more big streets for connection to Daraa would be quite important.

    Another local progress has been reached in Daraa itself. The army has made advances inside the town and is now starting to fight for an old border crossing, claims http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/saa-on-the-verge-of-capturing-daraa-border-crossing/ If captured, this would make it more difficult to support the terrorists from Jordania. What is not clear to me is how important these border crossings really are.
     
  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, really. Mother Russia as demonstrated in the referenced chart is a leading supplier of terrorist recruits. It is the just behind Saudi Arabia in number of ISIS recruits. So Mother Russia should be very concerned.
     
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    Who are we cheering for?
     
  12. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know about you.

    I'm cheering for the fighters against terrorism is Syria and elsewhere. joepistole seems to cheer for anybody fighting Russia, which would be, in Syria, the side of the terrorists, IS, Al Qaida and their friends and supporters.
     
  13. chuuush Registered Senior Member

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    It seems that Russia is more concerned with bombing the more moderate opposition (except the kurds) than fighting Daesh. The setbacks to daesh are mostly caused through US air support and interestinly in some areas they give back land just as easy as they took it in the first place (that is without much resistence). There are some here WHO tend to label all opposition groups as terrorists, well...that's not the case! you can not label a whole population of millions who oppose a long-standing secterian dictatorship as terrorists!
     
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  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    LOL...and what exactly would lead a rational person to that conclusion?

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    The fact is you are making shit up again (i.e. lying). What you have been doing is acting as a mouthpiece for Mr. Putin. You have been cheering Putin and Putin’s fascism. That is what you have been and continue to do.


    Here are some of the unpleasant facts you keep trying to avoid. Mother Russia has mostly been attacking Assad's foes and not ISIS - you know the real terrorists. Instead, leaving ISIS to the US and allied nations. The fact is Mother Russia is one of the leading suppliers of ISIS terrorists, just behind Saudi Arabia.
     
  15. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    True enough, but that doesn't stop our comrade from doing it. He needs to remember, this isn't Mother Russia. Dissent isn't illegal. Dissent doesn't make one a terrorist as it does in Mother Russia.
     
  16. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Lines like this prove that you support islamic terrorists, those of Al Qaida and all those others, and present them as freedom fighters.

    What makes me suspect that you would support IS too is that you support anything the US is doing, and the support of the IS, mostly through Turkey and Saudi Arabia, would not be possible without the US tolerating it.

    BTW, Turkey has, implicitly, already admitted that they are friends with IS. Their verbal reaction to the Kurds winning at the Tishrin dam and going West of the Euphrat - Erdogan's red line - was clearly negative. They were not celebrating this victory over the IS - and named the Kurds as their enemies.
     
  17. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Actually comrade, I think your response validates the veracity of the post you cited. It clearly demonstrates your inability or unwillingness to distinguish ISIS and al-Qaeda from Syrian dissidents with your mindless repetition of Russian state propaganda. Unfortunately for you and your Russian master, most of the world can distinguish between terrorists organizations like al-Qaeda and ISIS and the Syrian dissidents who oppose Assad's regime.

    Syrian dissidents (i.e. The Free Syrian Army) haven't inspired and supported terrorist attacks in Europe, the US or blown up a Russian airliner, ISIS and al-Qaeda have. Unfortunately for you comrade and your Russian masters, facts do matter.

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    And if Mother Russia were serious about attacking terrorists, it would in fact be attacking terrorists rather than Syrian dissidents under the guise of fighting terrorism.

    Oh, then perhaps you can quote some text which would lead an honest rational person to your conclusion? We both know you cannot, because you are making shit up again as is your custom. Your statement isn't even rational. It contradicts itself. You basically accuse the US of supporting ISIS, and it is very clear the US doesn't support ISIS in any way shape or form. So if I support anything the US "is doing" as you have asserted, then I certainly wouldn't be supporting ISIS or al-Qaeda as you have also asserted. But hey, you were never one to be bound by facts or rational discourse.

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    Then where is this "implicit" admission of friendship with ISIS? The fact is, like your many other assertions, it doesn't exist. The fact is you and your idol and/or paymaster Putin are pissed because Turkey shot down a Russian fighter which illegally invaded Turkish airspace. But what Turkey does or doesn't do isn't relevant to our little discussion here. What is relevant is your deception, because I don't believe you are that ignorant. Just because the Turks and Kurds have a long standing history of mutual dislike and distrust, it doesn't follow that Turkey is in bed with or in any way friendly with ISIS as you have asserted.

    And the facts remain, Mother Russia is the 3rd leading supplier of ISIS recruits and Mother Russia has and is mostly attacking Syrian disidents rather than the real terrorists in the region (i.e. ISIS), instead leaving that task to the US and other allied nations.
     
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  18. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, but in this case all I have repeated was your own statement. You have made a distinction between "Assad's foes", on the one hand, and ISIS on the other hand: "Assad's foes and not ISIS - you know the real terrorists." So, it was you who has classified Al Qaida - which sometimes fights against ISIS - as not real terrorists. So, now Al Qaida has switched sides, becoming real terrorists too? Fine. There are yet some other not yet real terrorists waiting for such a transfer.
    No, this is easy. The Syrian dissidents are those without weapons. The terrorists are, instead, those who have weapons and use them to kill legal forces like police and army.
    Yes, I know, these are those decent guys who kill the Syrian soldier before eating his liver.
    A honest and rational person already knows that IS is supported by at least Turkey and Saudi Arabia. And has read enough things which make some support by the West plausible enough. But why you care about them?
    It may be clear to you that the US does not support IS - because this is the official claim, and you support all the US officially claims. But I know, and every reasonable person knows, that US politicians are liars. And in this particular case it is also quite plausible that the US supports in reality IS. Turkey already fights, in close union with the IS, against the Kurds, and the US supports Turkey. Ok, I have to admit, if you are really that stupid that you believe all the US propaganda, then my suspicion that you also support, together with the US, in reality the IS would be wrong.

    So, excuse me for thinking that in reality you are not that stupid as you present yourself. Thinking again, I have to admit that you may be really that stupid. Sorry for this error, I will not repeat it.
    "Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said in a news conference in Serbia that Turkey "would not look positively on Syrian forces hostile to Ankara moving to the west of the Euphrates," according to a translation by Reuters." http://www.businessinsider.de/kurds-turkey-euphrates-syria-2015-12?r=US&IR=T

    Why? The answer is clear, because the west of the Euphrates is currently controlled by forces which are not hostile to Ankara. But friends of Ankara. Not? Actually this region immediately west of the Euphrates is controlled by the IS.
     
  19. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well if that is the case, then you should very easily be able to cite that text...something you have yet to do. So again, where is the text which supports your assertion, "joepistole seems to cheer for anybody fighting Russia, which would be, in Syria, the side of the terrorists, IS, Al Qaida and their friends and supporters.". You are making shit up again Schmelzer which is your custom. This should be very simple. But it isn't because you are lying again and you cannot provide something which doesn't exist.

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    As has been endlessly explained to you the Syrian dissidents are not the ones executing terrorist attacks in Europe and in the US and now Russia. What you are have done, what Mother Russia has done it to equate Syrian dissidents with al-Qaeda and ISIS and nothing could be further from the truth. Mother Russia, Mother Putin, are attacking Syrian dissidents under the guise of attacking ISIS. That isn't honest.

    Oh, and where is your evidence Syrian dissidents are killing Syrian soldiers and eating their livers? As with everything else you post, you just make it up.

    Well then, if that is the case then it should be very easily supported with evidence - something you have been consistently unable to do.

    Again where is the evidence to back that up? You have none, that is why you have been consistently unable to back up your assertions with evidence and reason.

    LOL...ad hominem, the manna of desperation.

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    And do you really think any of that even remotely makes any kind of sense? As you have been repeatedly told, just because Turkey has longstanding disagreements with Kurds, it doesn't mean Turkey hasn't cooperated with the Kurds. Because Turkey has indeed cooperated with Kurdish forces, allowing Kurds access to Turkey soil in order to attack ISIS bases. Turkey has attacked ISIS bases inside Syria. http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rry-out-strikes-against-isis-in-syria-reports

    Turkey has allowed US access to Turkish air facilities in order to attack ISIS forces inside Syria. So again, where is your evidence? The fact is when you said, "The answer is clear" you were just once again lying. It's very obvious you and your beloved Putin are just pissed Turkey shot down a Russian warplane which illegally penetrated Turkish airspace and after Mother Russia had ignored previous warning from the Turkish government for its previous transgressions of Turkish airspace.

    So the bottom line here is you are lying as you always do and mimicking Russian state propaganda.
     
  20. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    First, that's wrong about Russia, those who fight, for example, in Latakia, are officially not IS (it is Al Qaida and FSA and local terrorists fighting together) but a large portion of them come from Russia, this is one of the regions favored by Chechen terrorists because this region is similar to their homeland.

    Then, this is a quite self-debunking post. As if it would matter that they do not execute terrorist attacks in US, EU and Russia. A terrorist is a terrorist if he makes terrorist attacks, no matter where. If he makes them in Syria only, he is a terrorist too.

    The problem is they all cooperate or with Al Qaeda, or with IS. Most are, even if they fight as with IS, as with Al Qaeda, nonetheless wahabi fundamentalists, with the aim of establishing Sharia law and ethic and religious cleaning of Syria. You disagree? Name them. FSA does not count, they cooperate with Al Qaeda, see, for example, some of the first google hits for their cooperation, http://www.syriadeeply.org/articles/2015/04/7062/rise-jabhat-al-nusra-conversation-lina-khatib/ or http://www.investigativeproject.org/4380/fsa-cooperation-with-al-qaida-continues-in-syria#

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    LOL, an article who writes about the "first ever strikes" which have been made after some terrorist attacks in Turkey, which the Turkish deep state has attributed to IS.

    Compared with daily reports of attacks by the Russians against IS near Kuweiris, Maheen, Palmyra, Deir Ezzor, as well as during the Tishrin dam offensive of the Kurds, where they have supported the Kurds against IS, and the fight against the IS oil business with Turkey, this was a funny propaganda action, not more.



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    LOL….except as has been repeatedly pointed out to you. The Free Syrian Army isn’t ISIS, nor is it al-Qaeda or any other terrorists group. But that hasn’t stopped you from equating the two. What you and your Russian masters have repeatedly attempted to do is to equate them as one in order to justify Russia’s attacks on the Free Syrian Army (i.e. FSA). The unfortunate fact for you and your Russian masters is the Free Syrian Army isn’t a recognized terrorist group and you and your Russian masters need it to be. The Free Syrian Army consists of Syrian dissidents who oppose Russia’s ally, the Assad regime, the regime which has gassed innocent men, women and children with sarin, the regime which has indiscriminately bombed its people with barrel bombs.



    Well if it was a self-debunking post, then you should be easily able to demonstrate that….something you have yet to do. Because it isn’t self-debunking, it is true. That’s why you cannot debunk it. What you can do is what you have done, obfuscate.



    As much as you want to erroneously conflate the Free Syrian Army, the Syrian dissidents, with terrorist, it doesn’t make it true. The unfortunate fact for you and your Russian masters is the Free Syrian Army, Syrian dissidents, are not terrorists. And you have no evidence they are terrorists.

    I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you are once again laughing at facts. The fact is that, contrary to your assertions to the contrary, Turkey has been attacking ISIS long before Russia ever entered the picture.


    Yeah, we all know Mother Russia is conducting warfare against Syrian dissidents. There is nothing new there. Mother Russia routinely attacks Russian dissidents residing in Mother Russia and across the globe.


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    Russia does not need this. For Russia, it is sufficient that the Syrian government thinks it is a terrorist organization and asks Russia to help to fight them, and that Russia thinks it is, indeed, a terrorist organization. What joepistole or Obomba think about this is irrelevant.
    I have fun observing how you discredit American propaganda by defending cannibals as pro-American freedom fighters.
     
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