What WARS has France won?

Discussion in 'History' started by mountainhare, Oct 7, 2005.

  1. Paraclete Banned Banned

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    But the Canadians held the lines against the germans at the second battle of Ypres april 22, 1915 ........... quite memorable too .........

    I think it was the first battle where the germans used poisoned gas - and the Canadians still managed to hold the line !!!!!!!
     
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  3. Paraclete Banned Banned

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    At Ypress about 95000 soldiers died - about 60000 British and about 35000 Germans .....

    But in the end the British held the line ..........
     
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  5. Von Chav Gold chains & Stella!! Registered Senior Member

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  7. Von Chav Gold chains & Stella!! Registered Senior Member

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    Bless em.

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  8. Roman Banned Banned

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    Zimmerman telegram?
     
  9. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Fuck em. If they had run, and if the Germans had won WW1, the world would've been a lot better, i.e no WW2, no holocaust, no cold war(iffy).
     
  10. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    But there are survivors.
     
  11. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah there are. The winners are the ones that gain the most and usually dictate the peace terms after a war.
     
  12. alain du hast mich Registered Senior Member

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    change 'gain the most' to 'lose the least' and maybe you have a deffinition
     
  13. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Hapsburg:
    The winners are the rulers who gain land and riches. The loser is the common man, who died for their respective rulers vanity and greed.
     
  14. john smith Tongue in cheek Registered Senior Member

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    Thats true



    One thing you've never learned, however much you study, however many facts you get 'right', you will never beat me...i think you know exactly what i mean!

    Im not intrested in what your borrowed library books have to say on the subject...i want your opinion, you have accused others of just 'googling up' information to sound superior, yet you are a hypocrite as yo obviously have done exactly that! If however you have actual knowledge of this, who you trying to impress??!!

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    So you wanna get personnal huh? What could i possibly use against you??! Think about it moron, i know what you've said above is what you think but you got a bad ass problem, you wanna know why i took GCSE history??Think about it a little!!!

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    See you around, probably trying to insult Max and MountainHare as usual!
     
  15. john smith Tongue in cheek Registered Senior Member

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    A very different and intresting approach.I like it

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  16. candy Registered Senior Member

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    I tend to concur that European arrogance created Hitler's power base but without a Hitleresque German state there would still have been the problems of Stalin in the East, Mussolini, Franco, and Japan in the Far East. It was a time of aggressive attitudes and we have not yet found a way to stop aggression before it creates havoc in lives of the individual maybe someday we will achieve this but not today.
     
  17. Roman Banned Banned

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    Without the Holocaust, eugenicist would still be a respectable profession.
     
  18. Xylene Valued Senior Member

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    I could argue that if France had not been so determined to screw reparations money out of the German state after WW1, the situation wouldn't have got so bad in Germany (where they were using banknotes as wallpaper) and Hitler wouldn't have got a chance to start up.
     
  19. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    You sound critical of the French, Xylene.

    You should know that many of the French statesmen of the day would have remembered, as children, the Peace of Frankfurt, signed at the end of the Franco-German war of 1870-71. France had to pay collossal reparations of 5 billion gold francs to Germany. And she did. Ahead of schedule.

    Small wonder, then, that France and Belgium sought reparations after the Great War, which had, after all, been fought on their soil and at a hideous cost in physical destruction. (In England, we are inclined to consider only the cost in lives of the war, ignoring the devastation of town, village and countryside which we did not experience.)

    The factors which led to the German hyper-inflation are worthy of closer scrutiny. They were not the inevitable outcome of the demand for reparations. (Except, of course, in the sense that all is pre-ordained by Destiny!)
     
  20. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    They may not have been the inevitable outcome, but the reparations was the catalyst for the economic upfuckery, and Hitler used defiance Versailles Treaty as a rallying cry, which led to his rise to power.
     
  21. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    The Germans invaded and trashed Belgium and incinerated Louvain. The idea that Germany should have made reparations seems pretty reasonable. Or should Belgium have been the country that lost the war?

    The FUNDAMENTAL problem was that while France wanted to make sure no threat arose from Germany ever again, England wanted a Germany that could stand up to the threat of Russian Bolshevism. France needed England's support to suppress a resurgent Germany but did not get it, and was bitterly divided between left and right over seeking an alliance with the Soviets.
     
  22. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    If anyone, Serbia should've been forced to pay reparations, they're the one's that began the war, by organizing the assassination of Francis Ferdinand.
     
  23. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, but now you are not talking serious history!

    Point is: suppose reparations had never become a big issue. Imagine that German nationalism had followed a different course, and that the Monarchists rather than the National Socialists had emerged as the main political force. Would a resurgent Germany have been prepared to leave Elsass and Lothringen in French hands?

    Take a look at Strasseburg! Did you ever see such a fine German-looking city? Wundebar!
     

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