What shall we call the decade that is ending?

Discussion in 'Linguistics' started by Fraggle Rocker, Dec 27, 2009.

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What shall we call the decade that's ending?

  1. The Aughts

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    10.3%
  2. The Oh's

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    27.6%
  3. The Zeros

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    17.2%
  4. The Uh-Oh's

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    6.9%
  5. The Oooh's

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    3.4%
  6. Something else (see my post)

    12 vote(s)
    41.4%
  7. I have no idea!

    6 vote(s)
    20.7%
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  1. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    2000 was the last year of its decade not the 1st of this 1. The last year of this decade is 2010. The decade being discussed is 2001 - 2010.



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    2010 - 2019???
    THAT doesn't sound right!
     
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  3. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    7 days into the decade! Is there a bead missing from your abacus?

    2010 is the last year of the decade!!!
     
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  5. TBodillia Registered Senior Member

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    I'll go with James R on this, although I think I heard it from Stephen Colbert first: the noughties (naughties). Maybe Jon Stewart said it before him.

    Now, some basic math: What are your 10s (tens digits)? 10 - 19 or 11 - 20?
    What are your 20s? 20 - 29 or 21 - 30?

    The year is arbitrary anyway. Years were displaced when calendars were switched, days lost switching from Julian to Gregorian. It doesn't matter that there is no year 0. The first decade was 9 years long and the first century 99.
     
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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    So what?
    2000-2009 still constitutes a decade, as does 2015-2024.

    Hardly, for the simple reason that the next decade but one, for example, you would have as 2021-2030 and end up calling that decades the twenties. That's hardly right, the twenties including 2030.
     
  8. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    The year is not arbitrary. The initial setup or acceptance of this calendar may have been yet now we must work with(in) it. The 1st decade of our calendar consists of 10 years as does any other decade. The 1st century, of course, consists of 100 years. 2000 years is 2 millenia.

    This is 1 of the simplest things in the world!
    Why all the compulsion to subtract a year???
    The 20s are 21 thru 30, of course.


    The discussion was specific to calendar decades. If someone asks what is the last month of the year & I say December then you say a year can end in July, it would be ridiculous.
    The 20s including 2030 is right.
     
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  9. 2cm Registered Member

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    To whom are you referring as we? tfic ;{] aigf &c.

    I thought most well read or at least "research-savvy," people got their decades, centuries and millennia sussed out back when the merry non-mentis were gushing about Y2K or 01/01/2000 starting the "new millennium." They were quickly corrected in the millions by those who pointed out the fact that any new era must start with a year ending in a one. It should be an easy concept.
    At least easy for those who celebrated their first birthday a year after birth, instead of their "Breath Day," or the day they took their first breath. Yet I still feel that some folks still just don't get it.
    For those, let us start at the beginning. The Big Bang!
    Yes, I do know there is no media for transference of sound in the vacuum of space and it would take billions of years before enough hydrogen and helium concentrated densely enough to ignite the first nuclear reaction, so for those physicists that want to debate or nitpick this point let's say the "Big Whoosh."
    Call it what you want, I am just glad it is nearly over so we can get on with discussing why we are still using 150-year-old technology to push vehicles weighing several tons to carry one or two human beings from point A to point B. Sorry if I digressed and went off-piste, but I really thought this was all settled by the Mayans quite a while ago.
    Peace, 2cm
     
  10. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    By that "reasoning", it could hardly be right to refer to the 1700s as the 18th century.
    Or this 1 as the 21st century.
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope, you're not looking at it correctly.
    The 18th century was the 18 century because it was the eighteenth century in the sequence of centuries.
    When we refer to the twenties it's the decade of the twenties (i.e. the decade of all those years that are numbered XX2X).
     
  12. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Just as The 18th century was the 18 century because it was the eighteenth century in the sequence of centuries, 21 thru 30 is the 3rd decade in the sequence of decades.
    When people refer to the 20s, they are referring to the 3rd decade.
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope: as I said it's the decade of all years XX2X.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920s
    http://www.historycentral.com/TheTwenties/Index.html
    And similarly for the '30s.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930s
     
  14. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    What all that adds up to is you can't add.
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nah, what it means is that I understand the nuances of language.
    Or do you deny, for example, that 1915-1924 was a decade? Or 2032-2041 will be one?
     
  16. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously, you don't understand language, math or logic. So you blindly stubbornly persist in absurdity.
     
  17. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong, throughout.
    Once more:
    Or do you deny, for example, that 1915-1924 was a decade? Or 2032-2041 will be one?
     
  18. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I'm done with your proud arrogant willful ignorance.
     
  19. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Ummm... Not to get involved in this personal flame-fest, but stranger, a "decade" = ten years, right? How hard is it to see that any ten year period serves as a decade?
     
  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Ummm
    How hard is it to see it in the context of this thread???
     
  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    So you've realised that whatever answer you give you'll end up looking ridiculous.
    If you say "yes" you're denying the obvious and if you say "no" you're proving me right.

    Straight from the OP:
    E.g. as per my explanation...

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    So, in the context of the thread, what's your answer?
     
  22. Doreen Valued Senior Member

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    The nulls.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    This battle was fought a long time ago and the decision has been made by popular consensus. The 21st century started on January 1, 2000. Nobody wrote a song titled, "Tonight We're Gonna Party Like It's Two Thousand." December 31, 1999 was New Century's Eve.

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    I understand that there was no "Year Zero," but that's only important to a historian who has to calculate the number of days between May 1, 462 BCE and July 15, 639 CE. Besides, if you're looking for arithmetic consistency, how can you possibly tolerate the fact that, in the domain of calendars, -1 is followed directly by +1, with no 0 in between??? This is clearly not a nomenclature designed to please mathematicians so we just have to shut up and leave it alone.

    Furthermore, every decade that has a name is named after its tens digit: the Gay Nineties, the Roaring Twenties, the Thirties, the Fifties, the Sixties. People talk casually about the Seventies, and they do NOT mean 1971-1980! The first decade of the new millennium will surely be named after the zero in its tens digit. The Washington Post, one of America's most influential newspapers, routinely calls it "the Aughts."

    I'm happy enough that we no longer have to say "two thousand." Everybody said "two thousand nine," but they seem to have made the transition, finally, to "twenty ten."

    There is no English Academy or Her Majesty's Office of Proper English. Unlike French and German, English is a democratic language whose vocabulary is defined by a consensus of its speakers. The consensus of its speakers is that a decade runs from the years 0 through 9.

    Furthermore, if you'll feel better with a precedent, look at the way we tell time. Midnight tonight is 12:00 am Thursday, not 12:00pm Wednesday. The obvious reason is that we seem to believe that the first minute after 12:00pm Wednesday should logically be 12:01pm Wednesday, not 12:01am Thursday. By this same reasoning, 2000 and 2001 must be in the same millennium, and therefore the same decade. The fact that we call it "the twenty-first century" apparently doesn't bother us, and even if it did, pushing one year out of a hundred into the appropriately named century isn't going to make us any happier.
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