What really happened in Pearl Harbor

Discussion in 'History' started by Overdose, May 6, 2004.

  1. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    So I guess then you never read how Adolf Hitler almost immediately declared war on the United States after the Pearly Harbor attack and proceeded to wreak devastation on the US Atlantic Fleet. We're dealing with true history on planet Earth right now, not David Icke Bizarro World.
     
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  3. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah. As I said, enjoy Kool Aid
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Bork is right. Churchill could barely believe his luck when Germany declared war on the US.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Because Germany was already attacking their close ally, the UK, and was attacking US ships delivering war supplies to Britain.
     
  8. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Hitler did not want war, and had already made a peace pact with Arthur Neville Chamberlain. But the High Cabal removed him, put Churchill in his place, and Churchill immediately started bombing civilian cities in Germany.
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Why did Hitler decide to invade Poland, in your opinion? Or was that a defensive move?
     
  10. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Remember the Danzig Corridor? Just Google "Danzig Corridor Massacre"

    During the peace conference at Versailles, a hidden hand of International Bankers arm-twisted the world leaders into implementing a peace treaty that made a second world war inevitable. Germany was cut up, and isolating her citizens at Danzig City with the Danzig Corridor. Intermittent massacre of by Bolshevik terrorists at the Danzig city, who made up over 95% Germans forced Hitler to intervene. But when Hitler tried all diplomatic means with Poland to stop these intermittent massacres, Poland was arm twisted by the same clique to refuse all dealings with Hitler and promised protection by Britain, if Germany attacked. Hitler could not just look on as his people were terrorized, and he made impotent by threats. When Hitler invaded Poland to protect these Germans, at Dazing, World War II erupted, due mostly to the stupid pacts the countries had agreed between themselves, as it happened in World War , and just as the shadowy manipulators had planned. Hitler never wanted to occupy the whole of Poland. He just wanted to protect Germans, since as their leader, was his duty. Even after the war broke up, Germans High Command, (i.e Senor Military officers) wanted to enter a peace agreement with the Allied forces, and the war would have ended in 1942. But the High Cabal, commanded the allied to prolong the war. Read Curtis B Dall book, A son in Law cannot go wrong about his Father in Law can he? He says;

    “In 1943, just before FDR and Churchill met at Casablanca to announce the shortsighted "unconditional surrender" policy for Germany, FDR appointed Commander Earle as his personal naval attaché to Istanbul, Turkey. It was a sensitive spot. That was why FDR's friend, George Earle, was sent there. As our luncheon opened, I told Commander Earle that I had also served in the Navy, Army and Air Force in the two World Wars, and had been duly placed in the Air Force "mothball brigade" in 1956. I referred to him as "Governor", which seemed to please him more than "Commander." The Governor opened, as a Naval Gunnery Officer should, with a direct salvo! He said, "Dall, I told your former father-in-law, FDR. when I was his naval attaché in Istanbul, how we could greatly shorten World War II (almost two years). He wouldn't listen to me, or shall I say, he wasn't allowed to listen to me! Can you believe it?" I blinked; then replied, "How was that, Governor?" "Well", he said, "did you happen to read what I told Fowler, of Human Events in Washington, and what he wrote about this matter?" I replied, "I have not read it, but I did hear something about it from a friend." The Governor then proceeded to unfold an amazing story…”(Curtis B Dall “Franklin Delano Roosevelt My Exploited Father in Law”)
     
  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Well, that sorts that out. Excuse my poor grasp of history. Now, can you explain to me why Germany occupied France, BIGFOOT? Thanks.
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Aha. Tell us more about this sinister "hidden hand of International Bankers". And this "High Cabal", of whom I confess I have never previously heard.

    Would they have been Jews, by any chance?
     
  13. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, but I forgot to tel you that France was in the same pact with Britain, about protecting Poland if Germany attacked. So, when Germany crossed the Danzig and occupied part of Poland (to protect Germans) France and Britain declared war on Germany. So, Germany had now three enemies. Hitler knew that the allied would use Holland to invade Germany. So, Hitler Blitzkrieged and literally surrounded the allied in what could have been a massacre of the allied forces. But He ordered his commanders to allow their retreat, always giving gestures for a mutually agreeable peace pact. Of course those behind the war wanted a big one, for Germany with her industries, workforce, and a currency not controlled by the Internationalists was a threat, not to the nations, but to the secret private controllers of International Governments Credit.
     
  14. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Do your own research and its up to you to decide. Read these books;

    Antony Sutton: Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development

    E Anthony Sutton The Federal Reserve Conspiracy

    Eric Butler: A short History of the Bank of England

    Joseph Wechsberg: The Merchant Bankers


    John Perkins : Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

    Antony Sutton The Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution

    J Landowsky The Red Symphony

    There are many more you can read, and most of them are free. My conclusion are my own.
     
  15. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    And why did Hitler declare war on the USSR, with whom he had an alliance (Ribbentrop-Molotov pact)?
     
  16. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    I need an update on that one, since most history one has to take a doubly or a triple look because of the hidden history of the real causes behind conflicts. Landowsky claims that actually Hitler and Stalin were under the influence of the High Cabal. Stalin was a "Nationalist" but after he was given secret advice he appears to have agree to play along. Hitler was propped by "Them" but he went independent according to some revisionist Historians. (See Wall Street And The Rise Of Hitler - Anthony C. Sutton) So, Stalin was brought in, to check Hitler as a threat. So, in a way, it doesn't matter the "Official Reason" why Hitler invaded Russian, because the real reason was hidden. The aim of the war was to increase Western governments debt, in order to totally remove the role of government's credit, out of government hands into the hidden hands of the Internationalists who secretly control all Global Central Banks. None other that Carroll Quigley who claims this. He says; : “ Moreover, since their (International Bankers) relationships with governments were always in monetary terms and not real terms, and since they were always obsessed with the stability of monetary exchanges between one country's money and another, they used their power and influence to do two things: (1) to get all money and debts expressed in terms of a strictly limited commodity—ultimately gold; and (2) to get all monetary matters out of the control of governments and political authority, on the ground that they would be handled better by private banking interests in terms of such a stable value as gold. (Carroll Quigley: Tragedy and Hope A History of the World in Our Time)
     
  17. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Agreeing with PJ is often a bad move, you know.
    The Japanese had already attempted to "bypass" involvement with the USA. They'd invaded both China and Russia by that point, the former proving to be more difficult than first envisaged, and the latter a resounding defeat. The Americans had forces in SE Asia already, and the British a firm hand in South Asia extending from India to Singapore.
    The Americans barely sat still for the attack on China (and Americans volunteered in droves, unofficially, to stop them) and certainly would not have stood idle while Japan established a "Greater SE Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere", no matter how peaceable they might have wished to appear at the time. Any military incursions into SE Asia would have been met with a fully operational American Pacific Fleet.
    Which is why Japan attempted to pre-empt that eventuality. The plan wasn't unsound - it just didn't work.

    I've written about Khalkin Gol before, and I'm not going to do so again, other than to say that a war very few even know about effectively influenced the entire outcome of World War 2 before it had "officially" started.

    Actually, PJ is right in this case. Yamamoto is recorded as being against a war with America.
    He masterminded the attack in spite of this, however, because he was ordered to do so and, being an honourable man, did so to the best of his ability. History is replete with such men.

    The fact that he had reservations regarding the attack on the USA is by no means proof that the Japanese had other options. It merely demonstrates that Yamamoto had reservations that the orders he was given to execute had any long term chance of success.


    Given the economic situation facing Japan at the time, it was, in their view, either go to war or sit down, shut up, and do as they were told.
    The tendency of humanity, when faced with authority of that nature, is to rebel.
     
  18. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently, by your posting, someone already has.
    Someone always does.

    We are none of us immune.
     
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  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    So, let me get this right. World War II was really about international banking and control by a bunch of faceless men?

    How interesting. Like exchemist, I'm dying to know whether the evil Cabal were Jewish. Was it all a Jewish conspiracy? And was Hitler's anti-semitism thereby justifiable?

    Do tell, BIGFOOT.
     
  20. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    If you wait for people to tell you, you will think its a hoax. So I have given you the books to read, because its not something that started a few years ago, but goes all the way from the time of Cromwell. But you need to ask yourself, who funded the nations, during the World War 1, and yet previously we never used to have "World Wars" Where did this money come from and who ultimately benefited from the chaos? As for Hilter being an "Anti-semite" that's just a boggy man like, well, Big Foot. (no pun intended)
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Sorry, BIGFOOT, I don't have time to start a new hobby and to read your books. I thought you could fill me in on the basics.

    I'm fairly sure that Hitler didn't like the Jews. He killed millions of them, didn't he?
     
  22. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    An economic attack can be every bit as viable and effective as a military one.
    Economic attacks also carry the added advantage of one being able to point to a military response as being unethical, and therefore lend a moral justification to retaliation. Hearts and minds, so to speak.

    There are many nations in the world today who know this rather well; the USA being out on point due to their own transparency - and are often the first in the sights of those who have a particular axe to grind.
     
  23. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Rubbish.
    There were American volunteers in every sphere of World War 2 prior to the USA officially entering the war. Entire squadrons of American pilots in Britain and in China alone. You've never heard of the Eagle Squadrons or the Flying Tigers?
    In any conflict, if there is one man willing to forego his national ties and join in a conflict his country is not engaged in, there are a thousand others who feel the same way but don't take the extra step. That is as evident in our time as it was 70-odd years ago.

    With regard to preparedness, there is little to say other than there is a difference between not being prepared because you hadn't the capability, and being unprepared because you thought, given the circumstances at the time and the general view of the potential enemy, that if any conflict started it would be on American terms, not Japanese. Never disregard arrogance.

    ZERO appetite. Really.
     

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