What makes the holocaust such a big deal?

Discussion in 'History' started by Roman, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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  3. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    You should have stopped here.

    My turn!

    And?


    It kinda matters if his website is devoted to Holocaust denial, Xev. That's sort of the point. Makes the rest of his stuff unreliable.

    Nope. Did he deny the Holocaust? Because this is the implication we're discussin.

    True, and true. Look up: poisoned tree. But maybe I'm being too strong. After all, even Hitler got the trains to run on time.

    Are you familiar with any of those works? All present the opposition to Arabs or Arab nationalists as terrorists or extremists. They even invoke conspiracies. Your timeline might be valid until 1996; but after that, it's Saudi-time.

    It ain't. What do you think the Saudis are doing with their money besides collecting gold toilet seats? I hear CAIR has a pretty full expense account, for starters. Or used to.

    :yawn: Pointwess. Obey the rules the others have to. This is fairness. I know you're here for shits and giggles, and I can respect that, but come on.

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  5. draqon Banned Banned

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    its only popular in Jewish communities, they got the most money so they spread their history of suffering to everyone else.
     
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  7. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    For fuck's sake.
     
  9. draqon Banned Banned

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    you don't agree?
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.
     
  11. draqon Banned Banned

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    well allright than, what is your point of view? Why is Holocaust labeled and known better than the deaths of much more Russians at that same time?
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Draqon, they almost got half the Jews in the world, who were completely defenseless. The Russians had an army, and I'm sorry that more people don't recognize their massive losses either, but it doesn't imply they were any less important. It was the culmination of 2000 years of previous abuse, and subjectively more shocking to me because of that. Russians and Germans fought wars. The Jews never laid a hand on Jerry.
     
  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Then, you having read the works, I'm sure you can tell me what their examples are. Letting alone the point - as even Gen mentions - that Arabs aren't alone in their negative portrayal, or that it's all been one way. OK?

    Ah! The Jewish stamp of authenticity! Well, he must be right then. Never mind that the rest of Judaism don't really agree with him. Let's see...I'll see your claim of "Argument from Authority" and raise you "Argument from Popularity".
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    read the comments for more Jews and other sons of Holocaust survivors.
     
  16. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    I doubt it is to Russian and the old Soviet block. The reason the Jewish Holocaust is big in Europe and the US is because it happened in Europe which the US still feels linked to. I'll bet in Korea the comfort girls the japanese used have gotten as much press as the holocaust, at least if you toss in what Euroamerica calls the Korean War as filling. Apartheid in South Africa.

    I mean if we want to start talking about how much press per death

    9/11 is the winner.
     
  17. draqon Banned Banned

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    Guys and girls, I dont want another war here...I am just asking that the community that says Holocaust does not associate it merely with Jews, but also with all the victims of the Gestapo and Concentration Camp doings...
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I prefer you to scan the sources yourself. Make sure no anti-semites and holocaust deniers lurk in the cracks, etc.


    Hmm so now the Jews are not good enough either.

    So I guess, without reading anything on the matter, even after providing accredited references, you've already made up your mind then?
     
  19. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    Why don't some of you who think other atrocities are being ignored
    write about them
    start threads about them
    instead of making the Jewish holocaust the center of discussion.

    You have a forum. You obviously think other atrocities are being ignored. Go for it.

    I wouldn't know where to put a limit on how much we should focus on the Holocaust, but that other genocidal periods and places should be looked at I agree with.

    Start a discussion of Rwanda or the Albanian genocide at the hands of Turkey. I mean the Germans have at least to a great degree admitted what happened. In Turkey it is illegal to mention the damn thing, I think even in novels you can get messed up.

    But this running around saying what's so important about the Holocaust just comes off silly.

    And Hitler would definitely gotten round to many of the rest of us if he'd won.
    Sam, an outspoken Muslim woman, good chance with non-aryan skin tone.... man, toast.
     
  20. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Same thing: argument from authority. Cited because they're Jewish. If you want to make the argument yourself, go ahead; but if you're also going to claim the Holocaust never happened, then you have the same problem as Sindi and deserve the same investigation and criticism.

    So you see my criticism of Xev's sources as a joke. I illustrate a common skein in her accusation but you take umbrage to that? Because, as we know, Holocaust denial and the charge of "Jews own the media" never, ever go hand in hand.

    Ahem. Neither have you read the sources you cite, since you haven't piped up about them, although you're happy enough to hint around about them. I've illustrated the opposite position to yours, and provided evidence, but you ignore it.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The question was:

    Is there a reason why we cannot address it?
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    But...but...he made the trains run on time! Surely that counts for something! Dunnit?

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  23. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Is there a reason you're not? I mean, you could just write about them or something, since the issue is close to your heart. Instead, though, you, Roman and Xev go after the Jewish one. That's kind of an odd way to bring attention to the other genocides, innit?

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