What makes the holocaust such a big deal?

Discussion in 'History' started by Roman, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The deaths of millions of people due to the cruelty of other human beings is always awful. If you don't see it, most likely you have a problem empathising with other human beings.

    What "total fascination"?

    Should we not sob at wasted life and senseless killing?

    What does it say about somebody who can be blase about things like that? Has too much playstation numbed our humanity?

    Personally, as a political entity, or both?

    Are you advocating anti-semitic violence?
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I give up. :shrug:
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Indians (dot and feather), Mexicans, Japanese, Tibetan and other romantic type Buddhists, Black Christian ministers,

    there are a few others. And we note that Arabs - especially Muslim ones - often make a point of identifying themselves by ethnicity and religion on American media.

    Meanwhile, the Holocaust had some unusual features among genocides -

    for one, it was industrialized. Professional engineers designed the mass killing facilities. Modern bureaucratic and military and communication agencies were used. The tools of modern industrial civilization were turned to something modern industrial civilization was supposed to have risen above.

    For another, the people selected for extermination were mixed into the general population to begin with - it wasn't a matter of wiping out the traditional enemy villages or the rivals for territory but rounding up the neighbors next door, the family down the hall, even the inlaws and cousins and friends and associates. German, central European, society killed off part of itself.

    For a third, it was cruelly done. The victims were often starved and beaten and worked as slaves for months on end before dying. Medical experiments were done. Humiliations and degradations were emphasized. This was to those friends, associates, neighbors, etc.

    It's a big deal to members of Western civilization because it was a Western civilization - and one of the best, the brightest, the most admirable - turning against itself, and destroying itself.
     
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  7. kmguru Staff Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    The major genocides of recent history

    Nuremberg (The Holocaust)
    Bosnian genocide
    Rwandan Genocide
    Darfuri Genocide

    Of those major ones, only the Nuremberg group (The majority in Jews) are building their ethnic group back up because they were spread out, outside Germany. They have sworn that this will never happen again to them. If you were part of that group, you will feel the same way.

    Unfortunately, no one out side these victims group are doing anything about this crimes against humanity. Otherwise, we would not be having these repeats again and again. If the ethnic Jews were not vocal about it, we would have forgotten about anytype of genocide anywhere and this would have continued ad infintum....

    It is not the job of the Jews only to be the guardian of humanity...it is time we all are.

    Ethnic cleansing is just wrong...and barbaric. And it is a big deal no matter what ethnic group you belong to.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    All of them?

    We don't do body counts?
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I missed this

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  10. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Uhm
    And?

    And?
    And?
    The author of the following is a Jew:

    -Jewish historian and journalist Jonathan J. Goldberg from Jewish Power: Inside the American Jewish Establishment.
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    And?
    To wit, one of the most ubiquitous references is the book An Empire Of Their Own: How The Jews Invented Hollywood written by Neal Gabler.

    A jew.

    Does it matter that the author is named Sindi or Goldberg or Marshmallow or Fifi?
    Tell me then- do you care that Darwin was an Anglican and his parents Unitarian, raised a Christian, that he was tortured by the implications of his research, and had chronic gas problems that literally crippled him in the winter?
    You're an impeccable genius if any of this affects the factual basis of his work for you.

    And I recommend you read comprehensively since how, exactly, does this refute what I said:

    ?

    You're merely aping what I wrote. As much as you hate me, love, its surprising you'd do my work for me.

    A lark- "petrodollars" is non sequitur.


    Your thumb must be a leperous stump by now from all that sucking you do when running to Stryder.

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    S.A.M
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  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Come on honey, ALL of them?

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  12. Kadark Banned Banned

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    You're the one who should be celebrating. The Holocaust is the only reason you have a homeland.
     
  13. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Nyup.

    A scientist cannot afford to whore absolutism as you do. You said "only" Arabs and Muslims.
     
  14. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Not just Hollywood, but the porn industry, sex slave industry, and of course, the diamond industry, although India just recently topped them after 500+ years on top.

    - N
     
  15. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Back this up.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well I've seen plenty of cases where others are not, but have yet to see to a Muslim or Arab not identified as one or other; which makes me wonder why.

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  17. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    ...Of course, nobody has pity for Hazaras, even though they're mentioned on the first page. How quickly we forget. That is why it's always about Jews.
     
  18. Gustav Banned Banned

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    aha!!

    gendy vs sam
    this outta be fun
     
  19. kmguru Staff Member

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    Is this what you are talking about?

     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Stop drooling, there is no vs.

    She's right, I'm wrong. :shrug:
     
  21. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    It is a powerful political tool; there are many more, far worse genocides that have happened, but none of them translate into much political power.
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Gendanken's point might be true for part of the period described, but it comes to a juddering halt in 1996. Since then, it's entirely the other way around.

    And there we rest.
     
  23. desi Valued Senior Member

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    Sociopaths are not confined to the norms of society. They can use emotive arguments to play the rest of us like fiddles.
     

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