What is Time?

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  1. edtk Registered Member

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    Everybody knows, what's time. Time is time. Today’s physicists claim that time is what we measure as time. Time is an independent dimension, and that, together with space, it makes up the spacetime continuum.

    Is possible to construct a new definition of time? Yes, it is. Time is the cooperation of matter and space.

    It may seem very strange at the first sight, but it works. This definition of time opens a new chapter of theories. It implies the spacetime and the quantum mechanics. All we need is to understand its outcomes. Using this definition of time, we will give new answers to our old questions. For example:

    • Do photons have time? Old answer: NO. New answer: Yes.
    • Is gravity the modification of spacetime? Old answer: YES. New answer: No.
    • Does gravity cause the expansion of the Universe? Old answer: NO. New answer: Yes.
    • Where are the laws of the nature? Old answer: Don't know. New answer: In the algorithms of the particles.
    • What is thought? Old answer: The electric (electromagnetic) signal of brain. New answer: Thoughts is modifications of time.
    • How old is one meter? Old answer: Stupid question.

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      New answer: Meter, kg, second: same product — different designs.

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      Even space and time can be expressed as energy. (And vice versa.

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    • and many others

    What is time?

    Everything is matter that is no space. Space is the phenomenon that is no matter. Where there is space, there is no matter, where there is matter, there is no space. Matter is always surrounded by space. It is a physical impossibility for matter to come in contact with space without having an effect on space and vice versa. We can regard the space as an object and the matter as another object. In this case, we can use the action-reaction law of Newton in a wider meaning.

    So, there is a nonstop effect in the space caused by matter. This effect of mass expressed in form of wave can be used as time. The wave of time is a spatial wave, which has characteristics. It has energy, wavelength, and even more we can describe its frequency using our ordinary units of time. The new definition of time can give us unexpected viewpoints. We can say how much energy (eV) means a meter or a second. This model is in harmony with the standard model which seems to be a part of a larger picture that the new definition of time draws. For more details, please visit
    http://www.lajtner.com/lm/acadpaper.html

    The new definition of time it's very interesting and very new. Dear "local terminators", please wait a bit to repeal the whole thing.

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    Why? Because this definition of time works well.

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    This thread should be terminated. Or at least sent to the fringe.
     
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    Our first terminator is here. Welcome, Arnold!
     
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  7. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    How do time and space "cooperate"?
     
  8. edtk Registered Member

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    The cooperation means action-reaction. Why don't you click the link? Everything is there.
     
  9. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    Great doesn't begin to describe this!! What a great idea this really is. Don't let them detract you. You're on a roll.
     
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    Thank you for you kind words.

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    The main point of this physics is that the working method of thought can be described with it, too. I do think this viewpoint changes the physics, philosophy etc.

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  11. edtk Registered Member

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    Abstract
    Everything is matter that is no space. Space is the phenomenon that is no matter. Where there is space, there is no matter, where there is matter, there is no space. Matter is always surrounded by space. It is a physical impossibility for matter to come in contact with space without having an effect on space and vice versa. We can regard the space as an object and the matter as another object. In this case, we can use the action-reaction law of Newton in a wider meaning.
    So, there is a nonstop effect in the space caused by matter. This effect of mass expressed in form of wave can be used as time. The wave of time is a spatial wave, which has characteristics. It has energy, wavelength, and even more we can describe its frequency using our ordinary units of time. The new definition of time can give us unexpected viewpoints. We can say how much energy (eV) means a meter or a second. This model is in harmony with the standard model which seems to be a part of a larger picture that the new definition of time draws.

    This short study is an excerpt of the paper: Lajtner, T. (2014). What is Time; or, How Old is one Meter?. PHILICA.COM Article number 444.


    Matter and space

    Today’s physicists claim that time is what we measure as time. Time is an independent dimension, and that, together with space, it makes up the spacetime continuum.
    Yet, what does the phrase “we measure as time” mean? Measuring time means that we recognize a pair of action-reaction phenomenon of mass or energy. Everything is measured by mass or energy, so the measuring banks on (a part of) matter and never on space. This is normal, but it has an involuntary consequence. In our theories space and time are two different phenomena.

    We know from the Theory of Relativity [1.a, 1.b] there are action and reaction between mass and space. Mass is always surrounded by space. Where there is no mass, there is space, and where there is space, there is no matter. The connection of matter and space is not to unchain, the measuring of time always exists, so time always exists. We can regard the space as an object and the matter as another object. In this case, we can use the action-reaction law of Newton [2] in a wider meaning. According to this, it is a physical impossibility for matter to come in contact with space without having an effect on space and vice versa. Based on Casimir-effect [3] and other physical phenomena, we can state that space exists in waves and vibrations.

    Whenever there is a pair of action-reaction, that is, there is a change in force (F) or energy (E) of particle, there is a space reaction constantly present. And vice versa, according to the law of action-reaction.
    This, however, can be misleading, since force and energy are concepts of non-space phenomena. There are still no expressions for reactions in space or space’s effect on particles. We cannot refer to it as energy – after all, it is events of space. I refer to space-energy as Lenergy (Low Energy) or Laction (Low Action) [4]. When the total Lenergy reaches a certain magnitude, derivable from Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle [5], then it becomes measurable energy.


    Time as wave of space
    In the course of matter-space vibrations Lenergy is always produced. From the point of view of matter, it can be stronger and weaker, stronger and weaker, stronger and weaker… The change is periodic, and one period is one unit of time.

    This unit of time has two parts:
    • a pulsation, when matter receives Lenergy
    • the period between pulsations, when matter receives no Lenergy
    If we use a cosine function to describe the time, we get a periodic wavelength. The wave model is in harmony with space vibrations. Hence, it appears to be a good model. If the matter receives Lenergy, this is the + amplitude of the cosine function. Every other value of the function means that matter receives no Lenergy. In a time unit (in a single time wave) there is only one + amplitude. Time is a repetition of these time units. Time is the continuous alternation of the outcome and the lack of the outcome. From the viewpoint of matter, time is a characteristic of space; the variable outcome of space.

    Time is space wave generated by matter.

    In modern physics the measure of time can be created by two bodies where both are mass or energy. Accepting this, in this paper I speak about that time only which mass (energy) produces.


    Our time is made by mass and space
    Matter is mass, energy and others unknown things, see for example [6], or think about the spooky action at a distance [7]. In this study we do not need these unknown kinds of matter. According to modern physics, light has no time. Accepting this statement temporarily, we may say:Time comes into existence when mass and space meet; and whenever mass and space meet, the result is time. Time is a co-production of mass and space. Saying this, time can be seen from both sides. From the side of mass and from space’s side. So, there are two different kinds of time:

    • Time of Mass, this is our time (this is the time) and
    • Time of Space, which doesn’t exist according our today’s physics. We know nothing about this time.
    From now on I speak about time of mass (our time), only.


    Like an interrupter-type electric bell
    Time is space wave. That is, time is a spatial phenomenon. How to visualize time in this form? Please imagine an interrupter-type electric bell. The working method of it is well known and very simple [8]. Its main idea is the electromagnet. If an electric current is passed through the winding of the electromagnet, its magnetic field opens a pair of electrical contacts. Opening this, the electric circuit will be interrupted, the magnetic field collapses. These creation and interruption of electric circuit and magnetic field is a cycle. Many cycles follow each other as long as the electric circuit is live.

    We are speaking about a bell, so we can hear sound, which is generated by a small iron hammer fixed to the electrical contact that gives a strike to a bell while the creation of magnetic field, and it goes to its start position if the magnetic field collapsed.

    Using an interrupter-type electric bell we create spatial waves (of sound). We have a signal that can be described as the (set of) cosine function above mentioned. So we have a device that can make periodic, spatial signals, which can be used as time. We have made time, without knowing anything about “time”. All we needed is an “if… then…” algorithm, in other words, an action-reaction phenomenon.

    Using the picture of this bell, we can imagine how space generates waves, and how matter accepts space wave as time. The creating of this space wave does not need any knowledge of time, since this is not “time” but spatial wave.


    How to derive our time from the spatial wave?
    If we wish to express the space wave in terms of physics’ units of time, we may do so. If we take as our unit of time one second, the space waves show us how to divide that unit into the smallest possible parts. To put it another way, a second is represented by our bell striking once; yet, it is possible to strike more quickly – for example, every tenth, hundredth, or thousandth of a second. The space wave is the fastest possible hammer in the given inertial system. Nothing can strike faster.

    Every wave has velocity and frequency. What about the wave of space (time wave) created by masses?
    ...​

    The following parts can be read here:
    http://philica.com/display_article.php?article_id=444


    References

    [1.a] Einstein, A. (1963) A relativitas elmelete (Kossuth Konyvkiado, Budapest)

    [1.b] Einstein, A. (1905) Zur Elektrodynamik bewegter Körper. (Annalen der Physik und Chemie. 17, S. 891–921.)

    [2] Newton I. (1687) Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica

    [3] Casimir, H.B.G., Polder, D.(1948) The Influence of Retardation on the London-van der Waals Forces (Phys. Rev. 73, 36)
    [4] Lajtner, T. (2012) What is Time? (Paper and Presentation in Philosophical Circle, Budapest)

    [5] Heisenberg, W. (1927) Über den anschaulichen Inhalt der quantentheoretischen Kinematik und Mechanik, (Zeitschrift für Physik 43 (3-4) 172-198.)

    [6]Guzadyan, V.G. and Penrose, R. (2010) Concentric circles in WMAP data may provide evidence of violent pre-Big-Bang activity (http://arxiv.org/abs/1011.3706)

    [7] Einstein A., Podolsky B. and Rosen N. (1935) Can quantum-Machanical Description of Physical Reality Be Considered Complete?, (Physical Review 47, 777.)

    [8] Szalay, B. (1979) Fizika (Muszaki Konyvkiado, Budapest 716-718.)

    [9] Planck, M. (1899) Vorlesung (Sitz. Ber. Preuss Akad. Wiss 25, 440.)

    [10] Planck, M. (1901), Über das Gesetz der Energieverteilung im Normalspektrum (Ann. Phxs. 309 (3) 553-63)

    [11] http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?tevj|search_for=electronvolt

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  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You have I observe already one thread moved to pseudoscience on this subject or similar.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/time-is-spatial-wave.144080/
    Not real smart to try and weasel your way around moderation to achieve respectability. It is a banning offence you realise?
     
  13. edtk Registered Member

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    Sorry for this. I thought this was a better paper with more details.
    Please delete this one or the other one (or both)
    Sorry once more
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You can delete it yourself, then repost it in the appropriate section.
    Just wipe the whole post, then put "deleted" after of course hitting "edit"
     
  15. edtk Registered Member

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    I am not too good in forums. Now I am not able to find the delete button...
     
  16. Maxila Registered Senior Member

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    It confounds me as to why the simplicity of time description that can be concluded via direct observation and experiment gets missed and instead we constantly see science fiction like mumbo jumbo? My guess is no matter how intelligent or dedicated to science, most can't suppress their preexisting beliefs and intuitions (a common human error)?
     
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    You cannot observe time. You can measure something using mass and/or energy that you call time. Time itself is immeasurable. You measure mass and energy.

    Yes, even more, according to my experiences time is like religion. Some people believe that time is a thing that cannot be disputed. And if you try to say something new, they will be angry.

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  18. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    This board has an alternative theories forum and this should have been posted there. Props for trying to format it like a real paper!
    Time, like length, is a dimension. You don't observe time itself just like you don't observe length itself, but rather you measure the length or time of objects.
    Not angry, just bored, mostly. What you suggest doesn't really have any value. It doesn't do anything.
     
  19. edtk Registered Member

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    This is your belief. Your belief makes you blind. So you cannot judge the value of my paper.
     
  20. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No, the beliefs mainstream physcis has about time, has been gained through observations and experiments. You do not have a paper. You have a meaningless jumble of words based on some delusion.
    Don't worry about the delete button, I'm sure this thread will be moved elsewhere.
     
  21. edtk Registered Member

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    I have heard neither reasons nor facts - just emotions. You are angry and aggressive.

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    Don't worry, this is just a physics theory.

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  22. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    It's not a belief, it's a definition.
    Your paper doesn't say anything of value to science: It contains no math or testable predictions.
     
  23. edtk Registered Member

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    I give you some facts. The new definition of time works well, since the standard model works, the theory of relativity works, the Planck-law works, the Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle works using this time model. Time in the calculation can be used the same way we use it todays. On the other hand, time as spatial wave can explain for example how gravity works and why gravity causes (a part of) the expansion of the Universe.
     
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