What is this? a handbag?

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  1. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    OK
    so
    What do you think it is?
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    If it isn't a beak trimming and filing kit, I'm betting on a sort of briefcase - with the official seals and scribing tools and so forth of the one who brings law into the room.
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    seriously?
    You are attributing written laws to circa 12,000 years ago when Gobekli Tepi was carved and constructed?
     
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  7. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Seals don't have to be in a written language. They can be symbols used to stamp something with the king's mark.

    Not saying that's what those are. I'd be surprised if all of them did the same job.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I'm attributing official power to the guy with the briefcase and the headfeathers.
     
  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Bags for carrying stuff around probably go back to Adam and Eve but a shoulder bag is more practical than a handbag. A handbag suggests that the guy is important enough to have somebody else to carry his lunch and the stuff in the bag is too important for a flunky to carry.
     
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    ok
    back to the items posted
    One wonders why they have such a similarity from the middle east to america and for a span of thousands of years.
    As posted, a shoulder bag would be much more efficient----------why give up the freedom of one hand to hold the item in question.
    The archaeologist ain't got an answer. You might? Or a decent guess?
     
  11. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Decorative head dress has not practical function, it's an image thing. The same might be true for these items.

    "My Lord, you have a free hand, why not carry this dohickey to impress the Great Unwashed?"
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    First guess: the guy with the headfeathers is not seen shouldering burdens, or undertaking the "efficient" transport of anything. He is sufficiently burdened with symbols of rank and authority. His hands hold things like scepters, "rods", ornamented staffs, special rings, seals and brands, and swords undamaged in combat.

    Another possibility: that's a doctor, with his tools and potions.
     
  13. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Or he could have his predecessor's head in that bag.
     
  14. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Looks like a basket.
     
  15. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    or a bucket?
     
  16. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Bucket works on that last one, you can almost see the brackets holding the handle on. Fill it with blood?
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That would be a good badge of office: The king is dead. (He really is. See?) Long Live the king!
     
  18. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    I can totally see that as part of a coronation ceremony.

    "I'm glad Dad could be here today." Looks in bag. "And he's smiling!"
     
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  20. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    It's too square for a bucket; too small for a basket - way too small to hold a human head.
    If it were an amulet or medicine-bag, it would hang by a thong around the owner's neck or waist.
    the rounded handles, and particularly the hinges look as if it's meant for swinging: incense burner or other form of purifying agent to waft about the room.
     
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  21. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    You're looking for accuracy in dimenionality from a bas-relief artist?
     
  22. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    No; I'm observing a depiction of something that evidently has sufficient significance to carve into stone. Proportion usually denotes the relative importance of the things thus depicted.
    If it were a head, they wouldn't have fudged it with a nondescript container - they would show a great big ornate head for a sacrificed king, or a tiny distorted one, dangled by the hair, for a captured enemy.
    If it were meant to water a sacred tree, they would show a tree and hefty stream of water.
    If it were an amulet, it would be worn, leaving the hands free to wield those weapons in the god's cummerbund.
     
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