What is the most important subject taught in school?

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by Kadark, Dec 22, 2007.

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Which is most important?

  1. Mathematics

    17.2%
  2. English

    13.8%
  3. Biology

    6.9%
  4. Chemistry

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Physics

    3.4%
  6. History

    6.9%
  7. Social/Global Studies

    1.7%
  8. Economics

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Physical Education/Gymnastics

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Career and Life Management

    1.7%
  11. Philosophy

    3.4%
  12. Law

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Geography

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Geology

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Software/Computer Courses

    1.7%
  16. All subjects are equally important

    20.7%
  17. Other (specified in thread)

    22.4%
  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    But without knowing the choices you have by developing your intellect and wellbeing you might never find out what those potentials were.

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  3. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    That phrase you just wrote is the most accurate thing on this thread. School and education is to give you choices, I said it here before. They don't care what you do, just that you know and realize your choices, which is probably the most important thing you can learn in school. Apparently there is no such single subject. But just because its the most important lesson dosn't mean its the most useful subject, reading and writing will always be the must useful to me, it encourages critical thinking, comprehension, and studies show even raises I.Q by one or two points. Even people who eventually become successful struggle to keep their wealth because of lack of basic check and balancing skills, e.g. the movie "Small time crooks". Even if you somehow become a famous sports athlete you will forever spend money on lawyers and accountants to help safe guard your intersts, who by the way will nickle and dime you forever. You just can't do anything meaningful without basic reading and writing, and your choices will always seem limited. Plus, it is the saddest thing to see this people.
     
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  5. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Norsefire, what is the difference between Napoleon and Hitler? Why do we need a politicaly defiant population? You want America to be officially the most violent country in the world? Just what we need, every American turning into Rambo, complete with head band. It would be funny to go to burger kind and ask for a dounnut at the drive- through, only to be served by a teenager whilst simultenously pointing a gun at you.
     
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  7. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    My point was that School discourages ambition and teaches children to submit to authority. Young children can be most gullible, true?

    While it teaches knowledge and skills (in an ineffective manner), it limits you in your choice. It sets up the generic lifestyle for the young children, for them to merely grow up and be boring, forgotten people

    But it never ONCE teaches you of what you COULD become, something greater and superb. This is the greatest flaw.
     
  8. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    You haven't according to your school system. This shows the major lacking among them.

    A basic understanding of subjects is good enough if they are irrelevant, true? A businessman has no need of that knowledge when it is in such extremes.

    Therefore, specialization should be administered at around age 14 to 16. Ideal.
     
  9. dagr8n8 Registered Senior Member

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    Evolution!
     
  10. Kadark Banned Banned

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    Why is this biological theory the most important subject taught in school?
     
  11. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Agreed with Kadark, I fail to see how the knowledge of evolution helps us in the everday.
     
  12. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree with Norsefire on all points. Let's leave it at that.
     
  13. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    OK, so you disagree that the methods of education are horrid at best? Seriously, it's repitition, memorization, and dull work. There is no activity or immersion and therefore it's more memorization than learning. To memorize and to understand are two different things. I may memorize a fact, but that does not mean I understand it.


    Secondly, specialization beginning at 16 is better. Not only does it save the trouble of learning useless crap, but one can remain fresh during their education.

    Thirdly, militarazation to an extent, mixed with religion, will produce strong, cunning, brave and confident men who can achieve anything they desire, certainly far more than the currently obese, immature, arrogant and ignorant culture of today.
     
  14. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    Only their desires will be limited. They will not know themselves.
     
  15. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    And their desires aren't limited today? Please.....they are bred to grow up and be boring, generic people. Not to achieve anything higher, not to achieve conquest or glory or breakthroughs, but instead boring, forgotten people.

    They will not be known, famous, among history in these typical, tedious schools, will they? Einstein was a dunce in school, but look at what he accomplished.

    And their desires won't be limited. The militarazation should last until about 16 (7-16) and then after that begins specialization in a certain field.
     
  16. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    Sure the current system is not very good. But a military one is not an improvement. It is a system designed to disrespect the individual's interests and desires. Which makes some sense for soldiers given their work, but is a poor model for most jobs and certainly citizenship. Those people will desire what they are told to desire. They will not learn how to choose but how to follow orders. They will not learn to know themselves but to know what others think they should be like. They will, in generally, be more likely to support authority REGARDLESS of the morality of that authority, because that is what they have been trained and punished to do.

    Talk about boring. Automatons.
    Talk about poor citizens for democracy. They are used to BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO not in choosing, developing their own values, criticizing injustice and BS.
    They would be the dream audience of advertisers.
     
  17. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    No because, while I do understand what you are saying, it would be a priority of the school to encourage ambition among their students.
     
  18. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Its easier to learn when you are submissive. One of the first things we learned in primary education was morality, which required a hands on approach, otherwise everybody today would be criminals and dirtbags. I don't know if school discourages ambition either, certainly nobody else is encouraging it better. Television maybe?

    This is where you are absolutely wrong. School teaches choices, something you can fall bakc on in case of difficult times. Why do you think a business major still have to take Biology and Chemistry 101? I think boring people will always be boring, regardless of whether or not they went to school. Michael Jordan went to University and still turned out to be an eccentric athlete and citizen. You see, you are looking for some magical means to illuminate the potential in people, my friend thats a perfect world, I don't believe thats even possible, and usually its the person himself that needs an introvertive look. Whats the word again? "You can force a horse to the river but you can't force it to drink"

    How the hell are they suppose to know what you can become, do they have some magical crytal ball of looking into you mind? Is there an X-ray devise in the pysics lab thats lets them look into the future? Usually they offer schorahips and other offers to talented students, like the way Einstien ended up teaching in Swizerland after his degre there. Schools have a lot of crap on their mind, like how to exploit you for another gigantic amount of school fees.

    I agree with you up to 80%,partly because you are not the only one in the class. Some people may have bad memory, God knows I have been to class with many stoners, or some people just can't keep up. Its not exactly a customized experience.


    I actually like this idea because I like specialization, and early specialization, say in chemistry for example, would do revolutionary things. However, what exactly do you know at sixteen? Most people don't even know what they want to become at that age. I guarantee you that the amount of people that don't know what they want to do are far more than the amount that do, who by the way are usually already in some advanced class in some really good school. Let me tell you about sixteen, when I was sixteen, 70% of my brain revolved around or near sex 24 hrs a day, eight days a week. I didn't care about the world or why I choose to listen to music passionately. I did just enough in school and burned my books after semester. I worked hard at a candy store and spent my entire paycheck at...get this... in the same candy store. I had the I.Q of the equivalent weight of an electron but I didn't care, In fact I love being sixteen. You must remember everything is usually boring at sixteen, which would make your proposal, to make a child sit and recite the same subject, even more daunting.

    And many many, kidnapped, missing, and imprisoned people, with many rebels, mecenaries, and organized crime. Just what we need, men with unstoppable desires. Sound like a good idea but all ideas have a sacrifice.

    Actually this generation is boring. One sit down with my grand parents and you can see how entertaining they were. We, all we do is sit in front of plugged-in devises like a lump. I think this has to also do with technology. It still better than the Guillotine for entertainment.

    Actually Einstien was not a dunce in school, he was just misunderstood. However, he was against formal education. Intellgent people usually disregard formal education, but how many people(especially in this lazy generation) can go through a textbook independently in one week? Are we supposed to change our education system for those who can?

    I agree with a little discipline, maybe if we had a little more of that we could finish a textbook ourselves in one week, but there will be cons ad well as pros. Israel is the only state where I can say there is a strong emphasis on youth descipline, but are they any more potent than any other nation? Have they unified the string theory? Did anything come from the Spartans? Sometimes a lot of people don't even know what they want untill you present them with a lot of choices, much less specialization.
     
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  19. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Damned straight. Reading, writing, expressing, questioning and explaining in the written word, and verbally.

    It's easier to teach someone that is good at communication, so the rest follows.
     
  20. JA S81 Registered Member

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    I think maths is the most important subject taught in school.
    Phys ed is important, because it helps reduce the number of overweight people, and it is also a break from the other boring classes.
     
  21. Chatha big brown was screwed up Registered Senior Member

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    Back in the 20's reading and writing would be my definitive answer but those were also the times when all we did for physics was watch an hour glass and count the number of turns, today high school students are learning Quantum physics and three dimensional calculus. So its hard to really choose, but someone with some basic reading and writing can still get along fine, and thats the "x,y,z" of it.
     
  22. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    You should have allowed multiple choices.

    History, without it, you wouldn't be human.
     

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