What is the difference between a vaccine using RNA vs DNA?

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  1. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    This is an encouraging theory......


    Immediate Use of Ivermectin Medicine Globally Can End COVID-19 Pandemic: Scientists
    By IANS
    08 May, 2021
    TWC India


    https://weather.com/en-IN/india/cor...n-medicine-globally-can-end-covid-19-pandemic

     
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  3. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    There is evidence that Dr. Fauci knew long ago that hydroxychloroquine would be effective as a treatment of virtually any coronavirus type infection.

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    The fact that hydroxychloroquine costs only about one dollar per treatment tends to make it less interesting to many bureaucrats in BigPharma.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. We tried it; it didn't work. You might as well sell people snake oil.
     
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  7. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps it works better if it is taken along with zinc and / or vitamin D3?
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You may be on to something there! I bet it works a lot better if you pair it with a COVID-19 vaccine.
     
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  9. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    You could be correct.....
    I don't know but there are at this time zero cases in my county of Nova Scotia, (Guysborough), and I do believe that much better information will be available for both my wife and I by the time that our house sells here so that we can move to near Toronto.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That's because Guysborough has a population of 900.

    Assuming you have .25 cases a day (i.e. a weekly average of 1.8 cases) we have fewer cases than you do; 1 case per 93,000 people per day. (You have 1 case per 3600 people per day if the above holds true; Nova Scotia as a whole has 1 case per 2000 per day.) The reason we got to that small number of cases - far lower than Nova Scotia - is masking, distancing, vaccinations and better hygiene.

    Consider that if everyone was like you, you would be seeing a lot more cases, and a lot more people would die.
     
  11. Bells Staff Member

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    Was it a tin foil hat QAnon forum?

    That would be because it would be presenting information that could harm and/or kill people.

    Aaand here we go..

    Ivermectin is not recommended for use for treating COVID.

    Hydroxychloroquine is certainly not recommended for use.

    What you are touting is dangerous. We have banned people for pushing this crap in the past year.

    That would be because you are a quack.

    The use of hydroxychloroquine (with or without zinc) for the treatment of COVID-19 is not recommended outside of randomised trials with appropriate ethical approval. There is concern that, if used inappropriately, off-label use of medications may cause toxicity and lead to adverse patient outcomes.

    Hydroxychloroquine has well known risks including cardiac toxicity (potentially leading to heart attacks), irreversible eye damage and severe depletion of blood sugar levels (potentially leading to coma)
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    A dangerous quack.

    Why are you pushing drugs that can harm and/or kill people if used inappropriately, Dennis? Not to mention studies have found that they have no benefit in treating COVID..

    Let me give you some advice, Dennis.

    If you wish to keep posting here, keep the dangerous quackery to yourself.
     
  12. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Btw, how these were recommenced initially? Had the theory changed later after experimenting on general public?

    In changing world, if anyone suspect and want to know more, it is not quackery but is need or say his duty. Let us be absolute and final
    then claim absolutely.
     
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  13. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    But the long term results of how the experimental vaccines will turn out has yet to be determined.




    This article asserts that using hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectine early may well be a better treatment than the vaccines.


    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...HL&cid=20210531Z2&mid=DM892076&rid=1170954100


    Spike Protein Damages Vascular Cells

     
  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And yet hydroxychloroquine, in reality, did nothing to stop the pandemic. And again in reality, the vaccines DID stop the pandemic.

    Let's stick with reality.
    Again, we know that the long term results (so far) is the the pandemic is ending - in reality.
     
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    Speaking of reality......
    this is a well done explanation of the context related to Ivermectin.


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    Vaccine "Emergency Use Authorization" & ivermectin (from Livestream #80)
     
  16. Bells Staff Member

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    WTF are you linking?

    You're linking an article from an alternative "medicine" site run by a known anti-vaxxer, not to mention a known HIV/AIDS denier?

    WTF is wrong with you?

    This is the bullshit you're buying into?

    And the vaccine does not 'treat' COVID.

    Stop linking this utter tripe on a science forum.

    You are literally peddling dangerous crap in the middle of a pandemic on a site that can be viewed by all and sundry.
     
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    I am no expert on which website or which doctors are more generally accepted by the management team at CNN but....
    it seems that the doctor quoted here is risking his career to make this statement publicly.

    For the record I believe that Dr. Bridle was originally enthusiastic about the vaccines and about the potential of these "spike proteins" but over time as more information came in he changed his mind.


    https://halturnerradioshow.com/inde...spike-protein-toxins-in-their-own-bodies?s=09




    A year from now you may think that I wasn't the one peddling the more "dangerous crap." Time will tell as more information comes out and with five million Israelis vaccined that information should be coming out soon.

    For the record.... about three to four weeks ago I was open to taking the Pfizer vaccine but after a week of reading more about this I decided to wait. My appointment to take the vaccine had been May 26 but I decided to take my name off the list first then after I gave my wife a video by Dr. Simone Gold she also took her name off the list for Pfizer.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ?? You misunderstand how vaccines work, then.
    Dr. Gold founded an anti-vaxx political lobbying group. One of their spokespeople is Stella Immanuel, the demon sperm/alien DNA/lizard people doctor.

    Perhaps place your faith in a more reputable source?
     
  19. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Vaccine, where effective is desired to control a disease. We already took many vaccines. However, since there are many thoughts about getting more virulent covid virus variants and many types of covid vaccines available, it should be our right, duty and need to better understand about the long term protection(if not odds) from:-
    Natural infection vs whole virus based vaccine vs just spike protein based vaccine.
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Again, perhaps try get your info from a more reputable - and less political - source.
     
  21. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, information source should not be from an entity, who either have a vested interests or idiot. Many may think of getting a more virulent variant of virus from its containment or from resistsnce to its survival but that can also happen by natural infection. May be more during pademic or vaccination drive but we can not avoud medication.
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, it can. So far natural acquired immunity is proving less durable than vaccine based immunity. From Medpage: "It seems like the reinfection rate after natural immunity is a little higher than the infection rate after vaccinated immunity."

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/marty-makary/92434
     
  23. KUMAR5 Valued Senior Member

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    There was some confusion, it is relapse or reinfection. But one thought is three. Whole virus is multi anti or immunogentic so should be creating immune protection at multiple levels. Wheres just spike protein based vaccines should be single immunogenic. How it will impact our long term protection esp on cellular response or immunological memory level, need better understanding. We can develop two types of protection on adaptive basis. One humorol two cellular. One may be meant to deal with current epidemic or relapse snother long term protection.
     

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