What is "Rape Culture"?

Readers should note that after James was exposed as intellectually dishonest and prejudiced against men, he keeps trying to redeem himself by picking arguments with me. I'll re-post this picture, as it is illustrative of James R's mentality.

[Moderator edit: The image can be found in tali89's earlier post, here:

http://sciforums.com/threads/what-is-rape-culture.153010/page-11#post-3341280]

 

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The term rape culture, is based on a generic liberal tactic that is used by all it diversity voting blocks, to help recruit members with emotions, who are promised special concessions at the expense those they will try to scam, if they run the scam. Victim status is important in terms of leveraging extras from big Government and then taking away liberties from the accused; opposing party. We have the rape culture for the ladies, the hate culture for the homosexuals, the intolerant culture for immigrants, the denier culture for man made global warming and environmental enthusiasts, etc. Everyone who is not liberal, becomes a specialty bully culture, that needs to be regulated and scammed.

The tactic is useful in that it helps to create its own reality. For example, you, personally, can't see or understand what the rape culture is or means, because it does appear to exist in your piece reality. You can't understand the term, based on your observable data. However, you are trying to understand what you might be missing. You are being stereo-typed as being one of the many, you don't see, so you will accept responsibility for something you did not do. Then you can be shaken down. The propaganda wing of the Democratic party, or the mainstream media, will fixate on a few data points in an attempt to misrepresent the full data set, in favor each liberal voting block.

One of the tricks used is based on language games. Did you even notice that only men are called sexist by the liberal dual standard definition. If a woman does the same thing, such as calling all men create a rapist culture, this is not called sexist. If one man whistle at a pretty girl all men are cavemen. The dual standard is designed, by liberals, so all liberal voting groups are exempt from their own rules of conduct and behavior. This allows them to scam the system.

What men need to do is play the victim game, too, but in a more controlled rational way to beat the scammers at their own games We can say we live in a nagging culture, where the women nag too much. This is not true of all women but we can fixate of a couple of data points.

Nagging is form of verbal abuse; domestic and social violence, that will not be allowed in the work place, and this needs to be treated the same way PC liberals say we should deal with any words that make people feel uncomfortable. Rape culture are sexist words that are very offensive to me. I am amped out by these words, and I have no self control over my feelings of hurt, like I am in a baby. I am a victim and need a new regulation and some freebies to compensate for my pain.

The dual standard of women not being called sexist, for such stereo typing, also makes me uncomfortable and I am too neurotic to shake to off, therefore this is hate speech.

The question becomes what is the social impact of the dual standard, where liberals special interests groups are not called for their behavior, with the same standard applied to their adversary groups? For example, only whites can be racists by definition. If people of color do the same things, this is not racist.

The reasonable person will see the dual standard, and will try to be fair. This means be good and expect the other side to be good, or if they other side is scamming and getting away with it, you do the same thing. This perpetuates racism. The liberals are creating division and perpetuating problem. The solution is one standard for all, so the scammers for all the demographics can be dealt with, and the good people from all demographic are not penalized.

 

That does seem to be the agenda...politically. I do think people actually believe in the victim line, but I don't think we can paint all with the same brush. As I had mentioned in an earlier thread, I believe there are two types of feminist, those who are independent and working hard towards their success, and those who are perpetual victims and demanding some kind of concession. I know and work with women who are very independent and very hardworking. I respect them.

It's easy to align an entire group of people into a stereotypical type. I've done it myself. So I can forgive others when they do the same. As for "Rape Culture," it just doesn't jive with my experience, so I can't buy into it.

I'm not certain what they hope to achieve, but I like the term "language games."

I'm at peace with the women in my life. The only place where I see this stuff playing out is online.

I might take issue with the term, but I'm not hurt by it. I would call it sexist, yet if they want to call us all potential rapists, so be it. Doesn't change my opinion in the least.

Yeah, I guess if we wanted to ban discussion on the issue, we could call it "hate speech." I'm actually thankful for an open dialogue. It gives me a view on how some women perceive men.

That's an interesting point. I have seen arguments that stated some people cannot be racist or sexist by virtue of their race/gender. But then again, let them talk. I have no problem with people expressing their views.

I have no problem with people expressing their views. My problem is when it enters society as an institution. Let's say, in the legal system, where a man is presumed guilty of rape for no better reason than his gender. That's when it reaches the unreasonable and becomes dangerous.

 

Actually, that entire post was pretty freakin' wacked, but I'll just focus on this last bit. I'll make this easy for you:

Cite just one single instance in which a "man (has been) presumed guilty of rape for no better reason than his gender," by our legal system.

 

And rather than congratulations on your experience, an experience which is the alleged the goal of the believers in 'rape culture', you are maligned for not having that life experience. How dare you be different. How dare you not meet the expectations.

Interesting psychology there for sure.

 

Uh huh. You mean I'm tag teaming with the guy who called me a foul little git↱ because he wants domestic abusers and stalkers―some of the most dangerous criminals in our society―to be armed to the teeth?

Good one.

Okay, let's settle this: What culture do you live in?

Because the odds that you're not living in a rape culture are so astronomically low that "indeed" works well enough.

Then again, speaking of moving goalposts, there is still the question of which rape culture you want anyone to answer for. As we've seen, neither you, Bowser, nor Milkweed are decent enough to attend what the people you criticize actually say about rape culture.

So, which rape culture? The one, say, I describe? Or a fallacy? Given your ridiculous rhetoric, it's a valid question.

Meanwhile, there are seven billion people on this planet; it is not absolutely impossible that someone, somewhere, has managed to escape rape culture. But if you want us to believe you're the one, you're going to have to prove it, and your attempted defense of rape culture pretty much belies any proof you might provide.

It's a Godwin violation. Additionally, Holocaust deniers are roundly denounced. This is important, because compared to societal attitudes toward rape, our rejection of the Holocaust and its ideology is pretty damn clear.

Nonetheless, most Holocaust jokes do, in fact, represent some manner of anti-Semitism. And I say most because I will not put the effort into trying to write one that isn't.

Two in the front, two in the back, and the rest in the ashtray? Yeah, definitely grotesque; anti-Semitic simply because it's not funny. But I learned that one in fourth grade, and while it is certainly anti-Semitic, it is not evidence of an ongoing genocide culture in 1983; thirty-two years later, American culture retains some anti-Semitism, but the genocidal atttiudes are rather quite isolated and disdained.

You really aren't capable of figuring it out?

When someone attacks a Jew for being a Jew, and somebody else stands up and makes excuses, that other is roundly denounced. When someone rapes a woman, and someone else stands up and makes excuses, a significantly influential portion of the American population will back those excuses.

Now, then: Show me an American prosecutor who will refuse to prosecute a confessed murder of a Jew who was killed for being Jewish, explaining that the Jew contributed to the murder and the good people in the prosescutor's jurisdiction are not capable of convicting a confessed murder.

Next: Show me an American jury in the last twenty years that has acquitted the murder of a Jew ostensibly committed because that victim was Jewish, because they felt the Jew's clothes were asking that he or she be murdered.

... you are providing an example of why self-reporting studies are generally considered less reliable. As I noted↗ in a related thread, "It's kind of like rape jokes. If you set a low enough bar, everyone and everything passes." I also recently reiterated the point↑ in this thread, including an example of what it looks like in India.

The other problem is that you set yourself up to prove a negative.

In this case, you can affirmatively inform us that you are, in fact, deaf, and then it becomes much more believable that you've never heard a rape joke in your local culture.

Interestingly, it was just last night I happened to to be rolling through a recent dispute I witnessed regarding misogyny, a woman happened to accuse a man about rape jokes and personal insults. The response was an astoundingly obvious and simplistic political maneuver in which part of his response was that a rape joke is not a gay joke.

Like I said, if you set a lowe enough bar, everyone and everything passes.

And you set yourself a pretty low bar, virtually subterranean.

See, one of your problems is that you are perpetually arguing negative assertions; to the one, you cannot prove that you've never heard a rape joke in your local culture, and; to the other, if you set a low enough bar, nothing is a rape joke, therefore you've never heard a rape joke in your local culture.

Rape advocacy is seriously dangerous.

You mean by moving the goalposts↑? Like I asked, Tali, which rape culture are you referring to? The one I describe, or the one you set a subterranean bar for?

Largely I'm referring to this community; I apologize for presuming you at least intelligent enough to figure that part out―I shan't repeat the error in the future.

Take a look around, Tali. Who is actually supporting you? Right now it seems not even your fellow rape advocates want anything to do with you.

What does that even mean?

What does that even mean?

One of the problems with your delusional rants is that eventually you stop making sense.

How can anyone demonstrate anything for someone who refuses those demonstrations? After all, no matter how many examples we provide, who is acknowledging them, even enough to argue against them? See #141↑ above, please, which contains several examples of what we're on about.

Or is that just too fucking much to ask of you?

It's called setting your own bar, or building your own movable goalposts.

More than you have demonstrated yourself capable of giving.

And more than custom suggests someone as dishonest as you deserves.

To those points, if you really, really need a disability accommodation to excuse your behavior, just go ahead and say so. As to what custom suggests someone like you dserves? Well, in that case it's worth noting that I am, as you assert, a leftist, and we tend to disdain the chest-thumping notions of what people deserve.

Would a woman who says she's been sexually harassed in a club need to provide you some sort of scientific data in order to prove the point? And what data would that be?

And what should women do to satisfy you?

See, you won't even tell us that. All you have is digression, egotism, and fallacy. And pretty much everyone sees through this.

Here, let's try this: Bowser? Milkweed? Would either of you like to step up and help your fellow advocate?

 

"It's understandable that a mainstream organization like RAINN would want to avoid using feminist jargon in its publications and press releases, in no small part because people who haven't encountered a term like "rape culture" might take it the wrong way. But going out of your way to attack the idea in a report that's supposed to be focused on solving the same problem that the phrase was created to address, and to do so while not even understanding what it is you're denouncing, is just embarrassing."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...ture_in_its_recommendations_to_the_white.html

Well, we now know that the phrase was created to address prison rape. So, not even understanding what you’re broadcasting, is just embarrassing, right?

We have one side saying that the rape statics are exaggerated. That the term "rape culture" itself is an exaggeration. We do not live in a rape culture.

Luke Gittos, the author of "Why 'Rape Culture' is a Dangerous Myth", believes that the conviction rate has gone down because we are charging more cases with weaker evidence. He feels that there is a real danger, if we continue to perpetrate the idea that if women come forward with a rape allegation that they’re not going to be taken seriously.

The other side states that this debate isn’t about the statics. It’s about the extent to which our culture reinforces the kind of behaviors and other types of sexual offences that might provoke rape.

I would appreciate it if James would be so kind, as to un-ban Tali89 so that we can continue. Most of our moderators have a bad habit of talking at, and about banned members, who are unable to respond. What do you say, James, will you, please?

 

Well, it is Slate that misses the mark here. From the article:

The bill addressing sexual assault in the military that passed in December demonstrates the impact that "rape culture" as a concept has had.

Problem is RAINN does address this issue in their statement on 'rape culture'. Here it is:

While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime.

A systemic barrier is not culture. As I understand it, the motive behind (for example) systemic barriers for women reporting rape on campus was not doubt rape happens but the effect on enrollment (tuition money) if women decided not to go to that uni based on rape/sexual assault statistics.

Rape tests languishing in evidence rooms. Again the systemic barrier was not 'rape culture' it was money; as in test costs and manpower to finish the case.

Pieces of the puzzle. We also have Prosecutors who weigh in on whether the evidence will support a conviction.

 

Rape Culture:

Apophenia is the human tendency to perceive meaningful patterns within random data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

 

For the Record

For whatever it may or may not be worth to you, our neighbor has tried this stunt before↱, back in July.

And now here we are, undertaking the issue again, and he gives no regard to anything that was said before.

I'll be getting back to this when I have time; several circumstances in a holding pattern, quite literally, for weeks have suddenly stacked up so that as soon as I finish eating, I need to walk out the door and do all of them at once. You know how it goes sometimes: A'ight, I'll be back in a couple hours. Or a couple days. Fuck it, tellyawhat, I'll be back. Whenever.

Still, though, that appears to have taken place during your recent hiatus; it may or may not be of use to you.

 

Apophenia is the human tendency to perceive meaningful patterns within random data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

Now I have to get ready for work, work that involves being away from a computer. I dont get paid to sit and bs my way through life.

And its fucking snowing.

 

Actually, you're not going to come up with an example for such, as I requested in a previous post--I guarantee this. So, nevermind that.

But consider this statement, along with a few other curious claims I recall--like having never heard a rape joke, or having seen only four or five rapes ever depicted in film and television. Lest you watch television and film only perhaps once or twice a year, and you simply do not read any news stories, and you live in the middle of nowhere and engage with no other persons or your "culture" in any substantive manner, I'm not buying it. I don't think anyone is buying this.

Incidentally, I do, in fact, live in the middle of nowhere and I only interact (if you can even call it that) with two other humans; yet, I'm not so blissfully unaware as you seem to be. Just recently, I reviewed all 14 episodes of The Office (the U.K. one, but close enough) and I can't even count how many rape jokes I heard on that show.

But if we assume otherwise--that is, that you've seen more than one movie or television program in the past year, and you engage with your culture in some manner--then it should become clear why the term "rape advocacy" is appropriate here. Really, just from the quoted bit above alone. Just think about it for a moment. Does one really need to explain this?

 

Me, too. My son is coming home on leave from the Marines. I'll be busy for awhile. Like Tiassa, I'll be back...whenever. Perhaps, James will un-ban Tali89 by then. I did ask him nicely, didn't I?