What is Magnitive

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  1. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Either something can be measured, or it cannot...
     
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  3. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    What do you understand for quantity and measure?
     
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  5. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Objective, from object
    Subjective, from subject
    Magnitive, from magnitude
     
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  7. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    The dictionary definition is a good place to start...
     
  8. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Magnitive (English)
    Magnitivo (Spanish)
    Magnitif (French)
     
  9. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    WRONG. Length, mass and time are not magnitudes.

    Hollering hoping hesus, you do not even know the definition of real words let alone the silly ones that you make up.

    WRONG. Speed, force, work are not magnitudes.

    I have to agree with Dywyddyr, time to flush this turd to the cesspool....

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  10. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Origin, can you tell me the definition of magnitude for me please?
    And some examples.
     
  11. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    magnitude
    noun mag·ni·tude \ ˈmag-nə-ˌtüd , -ˌtyüd \

    Definition of magnitude
    1a :great size or extent
    • cannot wage a war of such magnitude
    • —A. N. Whitehead
    • the magnitude of an earthquake

    2:the importance, quality, or caliber of something
    • evil of such magnitude as must, if possible, be prevented
    • —Jane Austen
    • a writer of first magnitude
    • —Richard Plant
    3:a number representing the intrinsic (see intrinsic 1a) or apparent brightness of a celestial (see 1celestial 2) body on a logarithmic scale in which an increase of one unit corresponds to a reduction in the brightness of light by a factor of 2.512

    4:a numerical quantitative measure expressed usually as a multiple of a standard unit

    5:the intensity of an earthquake represented by a number on an arbitrary scale
    • a magnitude six earthquake

    Length, Mass, and Time are properties that can HAVE magnitude (eg a huge distance, a large mass, a great length of time, etc) but they are not magnitudes in and of themselves.
     
  12. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks Kittamaru.

    The way I see it:
    - Time is the magnitude of duration (property).
    - Length is the magnitude of extension (property)
    - Power is the magnitude of force (property)
     
  13. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Wrong on all three fronts:

    Time - Time is the thing in question, the magnitude of which would be seconds, minutes, hours, days, decades, etc. A decade is a set magnitude (think Quantity) of time.

    Length - Again, you are confusing the descriptor and the noun. If I said "I have a meters string", that makes no sense. By compare, "I have a three meter string" makes sense (note - this is not a perfect example, as one could say "I have a meter string" and mean 1 meter, but in this case the 1 is implied)

    Power - What is your descriptor? Watts? Joules? Horsepower? The collective thrust available from the flatulence of fifty elephants? Power is ambiguous - the magnitude and item ("I have a car with 200 horsepower" vs "I have a car with horsepower") is what sets the tone.
     
  14. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    How do you expect to communicate sensibly if you make up your own definitions for words?

    Examples of magnitude:
    10 seconds.
    10 feet.
    10 HP.

    A very simple definition for magnitude is; how much.

    A board has a property called length. It's magnitude is the actual length, like 10 ft.
     
  15. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    We are talking about the same thing: magnitud = measure.
     
  16. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    That's... not how this works. That's just not how any of this works...
     
  17. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Pain and pleasure have magnitude, but they can't be measured.
    They are subjective.
     
  18. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    They can be measured and they are subjective.
    That would be a relative magnitude. When a doctor asks you how much pain do you he is asking for the magnitude of your pain.

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  19. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Indeed, they have a magnitude, but they are not a magnitude themselves.

    Pain is not a measure of quantity, duration, nor severity of pain.
    Immense pain is a measure of severity of pain.
    Throbbing pain is a measure of severity of pain.
    Occasional stinging is a measure of duration and severity of pain.
    Constant, all over burning is a measure of duration, quantity, and severity of pain.
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Pain and pleasure are qualia.

    A person can give them their own subjective value, but that's not the same as an objective measurement.
     
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  21. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    I agree. An estimation is made, not a measurement.
     
  22. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Verb to Measure

    - Transitive form: Paul measured the table.
    - Intransitive form: John measures one meter seventy.
    - Rulers measure length (it's intransitive). Equal distances.
    - Clocks measure time (it's intransitive). Equal intervals.
     
  23. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    English
    - Magnitude is the size or extent

    Gibberish
    - Time is the magnitude of duration (property).
    - Length is the magnitude of extension (property)
    - Power is the magnitude of force (property)
     

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