What is Heat?

Discussion in 'Chemistry' started by Bishadi, Jul 26, 2008.

  1. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    who can share what Heat is to a cup of hot water?


    chemically speaking of course
     
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  3. draqon Banned Banned

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    1 calorie
     
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  5. OilIsMastery Banned Banned

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    Every calorie of food that you eat requires 10 calories of hydrocarbon energy to produce...

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  7. Diode-Man Awesome User Title Registered Senior Member

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    I thought you were going to be asking for something philosophical....

    Heat gets stuff done: "Energy" Excited matter.... haha this can't go very deep philosophically

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  8. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Temperature is an interval. Heat is curvature, or change in curvature over time.
    Entropy is volume. These all have dimension, which we can fix, or set.

    A message is an interval, information has curvature or change (a pattern). Information entropy is a volume. These have no dimension, so we don't fix or set them. They are scalable, whereas heat is a scale.

    There's a zero-point temperature, so zero-curvature, and zero-volume.
    But not with information, it doesn't have a zero-point, it is a zero-point + a one-point. Like a sort of gap with no 'size'.

    To understand either, I claim that you need to understand both: Thermodynamics and Information Theory.

    So there.
     
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  9. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    An equilibrium value... when a system is set 'closed'..... (scaler field)

    Gibbs?

    expand on this....

    as in information, they always leave a door open for the random (non-local) effect that offers a application but not causal without
     
  10. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Hmm, maybe:

    Equilibrium can change, so can resonant or stationary states - these are temporal phenomena.

    You might need to expound on the implication, if that's what you're doing, with free energy (I presume that's what "Gibbs" means)? Energy and information have a different relation than energy and thermodynamics.

    My last point stands, then, ipso facto, if you do not understand information entropy, you don't really understand the connection it has to the thermodynamic scale: heat, work, black-body dynamics, transport, equilibrium.
     
  11. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    That resonance is energy upon mass (light).

    Mass can only retain specific ranges of energy. And in every case that energy is em upon mass. When there is a pole, then an entanglement between structures is apparent. This relelation is what causes the varied states called angular momentum but non associated in Planck/Dirac

    Because in a thermodynamic system entropy is single direction, but in a 'good' environment a potential can increases rather than decline (life abuses entropy)...... and Gibbs shares the value to the environment can flex


    i do, but it is old and crusty

    i.e.... tap that pond 2 times, notice the increased potential when the 2 waves meet?
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I think we should get out of the way in this kind of thread and let Ice Age and Bishadi settle things between them.
     
  13. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    And this idea ties the idea of energy as heat, to information?
    How does it?

    With your understanding of the old and crusty version: are you at least able to summarise it? Or if not, is it OK for me to assume that you don't understand it, or anything much about information?
     
  14. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    thanks,

    as it is good the complacent, step aside
     
  15. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    are you familiar with how 'heat' is defined upon a single atom?

    do you understand what 'is' the information between atoms? Or if atom A and atom B are sharing 'x' information, than what is the mechanism of that 'carrier' of information.

    Remember in both scenarios, what is heat, to one atom.

    and then what is the 'unit' and mechanism for atoms, A and B to share x?

    Energy is em (light).

    please do no assume.... it will do no good
     
  16. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Well, I have to say, at this juncture that, no, I don't know what the mechanism of information getting carried between atoms, has to do with waves on the surface of a pond. Except that atoms look like waves too, is this the connection you're making?

    Although I do know that absolutely nothing gets "carried" anywhere except as a wave of some kind. By a wave of some kind.

    Can you, perhaps, remember what heat is, to one atom? I'm having difficulty visualising this, can you explain what you mean with this? You mean a sort of "stationary" wave somewhere?

    I know about light, and I know about binary arithmetic, too, how about you?
     
  17. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    OK

    i can help with that

    energy is light or simply the perpendicular planes of electric and magnetic fields upon mass

    nope

    energy occilates upon mass.... and in a fluid the combined shares a wave and this analogy is for your education


    ever notice how h2o gets warmer and colder? what do you think is doing it? please do not say a binary addition of electrons......


    ie.... i can add or reduce the wavelengths of energy (light) and cause that atom to change states

    what is heat to an electron or the chemistry of an element

    do you see the difference yet?
     
  18. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Ah, so you can add or subtract wavelengths from a single atom?

    Where do you get these wavelengths or waves, from? Where are they, and how do you get them to add or subtract?
     
  19. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    what a moron

    that is like me having a flash light in relation to an electron gun

    meaning i can adjust my stove for heat based on how many reactions i allow to combust on a stove; the more gas the greater concentration of heat


    but not one to take electrons to heat a cup of coffee as even an electric stove is simply releasing heat rather than electrons
     
  20. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    or better still what does a microwave do chump?
     
  21. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    So, you don't know then, where to get these wavelengths from? And the idea of adding and subtracting them is just an idea, you really don't know what happens, where these waves get made, or how to add or subtract them?
    Apparently, you believe it's a matter of having a flashlight or a microwave oven or a stove top.
     
  22. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    Well, that was sort of interesting.
    Time to nuke my cold coffee, and fry some eggs for lunch on the stove top. Good thing it's daytime, or I might need a flashlight to see what I'm doing...
     
  23. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    why i did not see it before i don't know but i fell for it, hook line and sinker..... you are not interested in understanding how it works, you just like to argue

    for the other folk reading; the known electromagnetic spectrum ranges from the radio to the gamma and every single atom that combines with another, or has a single line item of energy above absolute cold is of electromagnetic energy (light)......

    not some times, everytime!

    Energy itself is light...

    Heat itself, is simply mass with increased momentum/resonance. All them infrared, ultraviolet rays from the sun, etc.... the very same stuff; light
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    see the golden ratio if you like math and see how the progression scales

    but in the current math this concept is not even considered because plancks constant is the incorrect definition to energy; because there is no way to do just that; reflect the increased potential of associated energy upon mass (entangled).

    Hence this very error in today's physics suggests, energy has no mass but that is incorrect in the sense that energy does have potential and affects space and time, which does increase the overall state of the mass.

    ie.... a hot piece of steal has greater potential than a cold one.

    IN every case that increased HEAT is simply em upon mass.

    Heat is simply light upon mass.

    such the postulate; energy is light
     

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