What is Gravity?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Darkelfv, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Except that no medium has ever been demonstrated.
     
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  3. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    The connection to pressure or energy seems arbitrary and likely to cause errors since you're virtually mixing units right off the bat. Instead of imagining a "medium" of space, you might want to start with its intrinsic impedance, and avoid making a connection between space and density or fluid mechanics, buoyancy, etc., which aren't the same and will lead you astray.

    If you are seeking analogies, why not start with Coulomb’s law:

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    and ask yourself: what are the similarities and differences between Coulomb's law and the law of Gravitation? Why? How?

    This will more likely bear fruit.

    P.S.: I forgot you were asking about the energy source for gravitation. The energy imparted to two masses, now exhibiting gravitation as potential energy, is just a remnant of the energy of the Big Bang.
     
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  5. Darkelfv Registered Member

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    correct, but evidence of warp suggests resistance.

    any ideals from anyone on what this could be? if there isn't a medium how is the resistance accounted for? If there isn't energy to carry the wave of motion why do we see the wave?

    Could this medium simply be the energy released from the big bang, or is it something we can't detect yet that is physical?

    Or is there a reason energy would gain resistance in the presence of nothing.

    Thanks for reading
     
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  7. Darkelfv Registered Member

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    coulombs law

    Going to check this out, and yes i have considered the possibility of a non medium where energy emitted out of mass reaches a point where the attractive charges wont allow them to escape a certain range outside of the earth causing the warp.

    However the ideal of a medium makes more sense to me for now.

    Thanks for helping me figure this out!!
     
  8. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    If what you are thinking of is inertia, an object's resistance to a change in its state of motion.

    Ernst Mach suggested that it was the gravitational influence of all of the matter in the universe. Einstein liked the idea and spent a great deal of time trying to incorporate it into GR. accounting for the gravitational influence of the whole universe was a bit to much...

    There are a few other ideas but nothing that can be tested and confirmed at this time.
     
  9. Darkelfv Registered Member

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    So basically at this time, no way to really tell what it is exactly. I can accept that.

    I thought about that too and there are just too many factors/ unknowns to calculate any sort of total chart of influence. A lot of my ai research/ideals have the same concept, instead of using a neural network, with enough data in a state based environment, ai can be calculated at near zero time but the data load gets larger as you add any factor, exponentially so. However that is where math gets in and a lot of the data processing can be done on a formula level. Thank (random word here) for math.

    Some have even argued that we are a ai simulation with the complexity factor just out the roof. who knows but i love trying to understand it and figure it out.

    thanks
     
  10. Darkelfv Registered Member

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    check this out, smaller particles being found. This would support my ideal of a medium smaller then anything we have currently detected. however its not proven and who knows if it will truly support my ideal, doesn't matter time will tell and someone will figure it out. !!
    google Tantalizing Hints of Elusive Higgs Particle Announced [Update]
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  11. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    My theory goes like this. The ground state of the universe is the speed of light, since this is the only reference that is fixed and absolute in all finite references. Mass, by existing at less than C will create a potential with the ground state. Gravity is simply one way for mass to return to the C reference and lower the potential. The collection of mass contracts space-time, which in the limit of the black hole will regain the C reference. Mass that can not fully contract space-time back to the C reference, such as our sun, will still try to return to C, via the mass burn associated with fusion to create energy at C.

    The expansion of the universe, which appears to violate gravity, is just another way for mass to return to C, via SR or an accelerating expansion. All path back to C can occur at the same time, since all represent lowering of the potential with the C ground state.
     
  12. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    That is most definitely NOT a theory.

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  13. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Why?

    What resistance?

    Energy carries the wave of motion? What does this mean?

    There is no need for a medium, so why postulate one.

    How can energy gain resistance?
     
  14. wlminex Banned Banned

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    . . . . makes as much sense as a lot of SM "theories". . . .
     
  15. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    Try this thread, Higgs Boson, AlphaNumeric's post is pretty good.

    It is not an answer for gravity but it speaks to the recent Higgs news.
     
  16. rwjefferson Registered Senior Member

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    Drill a hole in an icy hockey rink. Connect this hole to the most perfect vacuum at your disposal. What happens as sound energy encounters the ultrasonic horizon?

    peace
    ron
     
  17. rwjefferson Registered Senior Member

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    who let the dogs out
    woof woof

    It is just as important as finding phlogiston was a few centuries ago.
    Theories based upon false assumptions crumble under their own towering babble.

    ItS
    peace
    ron

    there is no proof space is not also fluent
    only ignorance
     
  18. JJM Registered Senior Member

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    Howdy.....Hello.....This is a basic, there is much more than this, m (h/v+(wave and field)+pp'+geo.)m'. The exchanges' properties are and is the same structure through which it passes. 'Space' is all the properties which allows and forms mass and it's structures. Infinity is +,- 1N, therefore any size is possible and will occupy space for as long as its' mechanical duration allows. (Entropy.).....You must measure your ideas/concepts, it is the only way to verify your understanding and life. Taking on the task to measure can lead to exciting new discoveries aside of your major measuring goal. Always remember with your discoveries, protect America first, signed anon. Give it freely to keep the flag flying.
     
  19. river

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    More advanced people understand what gravity is

    Electrogravitics
     
  20. OnlyMe Valued Senior Member

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    You mean like aliens, right? You know extra-terrestrial types.

    So far we can do a lot of describing what it does and not so much about why or how.
     
  21. river

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    Your wrong

    If you have any desire to know what electrogravitics Systems is all about

    Then you will investigate the theory

    I have books by Paul A. LaViolette , PHD , called secrets of ANTIGRAVITY PROPULSION

    Two Books by Thomas Valone , called , Electrogravitics 1and 2
     
  22. pluto2 Registered Senior Member

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    I think that gravity must be related to photons, atoms, light, electromagnetic radiation and plasma.

    Or maybe gravity is actually caused by gravitons. Gravitons could be the carrier of the electromagnetic field. Gravitons are massless, electrically uncharged particles traveling at the speed of light and emitted only be accelerating, extremely massive objects such as stars. Since gravitons are probably identical to their antiparticles, the notion of antigravity seems questionable.

    Or maybe outer space is actually like a superfluid vacuum and this could explain gravity as well.

    We don't have a theory of everything just wet so we cannot know for sure what causes gravity, inertia or what the caused the big bang (if there ever was a big bang at all) or where dark matter and dark energy came from and what it really is. A theory of everything should answer all these questions, including explaining the nature of God (if there even is a God).

    We don't yet have a final answer to all of our questions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_physics
     

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