what is beyond the known universe?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by utopian knight, Oct 6, 2006.

  1. sniffy Banned Banned

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    Is the answer to the OP: the unknown?
     
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  3. Burada Registered Senior Member

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    It's doubtful if we will ever know what's beyond the known universe. It's difficult enough trying to figure out what's already here in our so-called known universe. Supermassive Black Holes, Blazars, Neutron stars are complicated enough to try and understand with our current Physics. We can only imagine more weird, puzzling and even more bizarre objects that are lurking beyond our known universe that our current Physics couldn't even begin to explain...........
     
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  5. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    It is likely that the Cosmological Principle has already been mentioned, but it says that no mater where you are in the universe, it will look essentially the same in all directions. If you can get past the conventional wisdom that we are within a universe that in its entirety is expanding into space that is being created as it expands, and then if you can apply the cosmological principle to what would have to be called the "greater" universe, you might consider it possible that there are other arenas beyond our known universe. Some arenas might be expanding like ours and some might be contracting.

    The cause of contracting arenas could easily stem from the overlap of two or more expanding arenas assuming that "expansion" is defined as the relative movement of galaxies within each arena. If that is the case, then an overlap of expanding arenas would be characterized by a convergence of galaxies from two separate co-moving coordinate systems. When such a convergence occurs, gravity would be able to over come the expansion momentum of the galaxies resulting in the formation of big crunches.

    If there was a physical capacity of a big crunch that activated some physics that could lead to the burst of the big crunch into expansion, then the greater universe of expanding and contracting arenas would be self-perpetuating.
     
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  7. gorillasgocrazy Registered Member

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    Just a thought...:idea:

    Just a little thought...
    Nothingness exists where there is no time or anything, where there is nothing. Therefore it does not exist. So if nothingness ever or never existed then somethingness exists; existence. It is not the stubbornness of something to exist that causes something to be born into existence, but the result of nothingness.

    This leads us to the existence of something that has no other requirements but to exist. What then are the requirements of something to exist?

    To exist requires a dimension to exist as.

    For something to exist solely independent of anything would lead it to not to exist as it would have no affect on anything else, because there is nothing else as it is the sole existence. It would be perceived by nothing and could not perceive itself as it has nothing to perceive itself by or describe itself with. Thus it is possible for a singular dimensional independent existence to exist but not actually exist, to be nothing at the same time.

    Unless. One of these singular dimensions interacts with something else, which provides this singular independent existence with something to be defined by, as existing. Thus it is inevitable that once one thing exists, so something else must exist (or should I say comes into existence). Existence is then only possible when there are 2 or more ‘objectives’ interacting to provide themselves with their ‘subjective’ dimension, their existence.

    Nothingness or singular non-interacting bodies are ‘objectives’ (the ‘genuine’). Hence the relationship between two or more of these bodies is the ‘subjective’ (the dimension created between two bodies). From this we can see then that the objective and the subjective cannot exist independently, otherwise they would cease to exist. Thus everything is objective but never can be perceived as such, as the perception of it (the subjective) is what is perceived or exists. To know the objective is to remove its subjective existence/perception and thus result in it being nothing. You cannot ‘know’, the objective, you can only know what you perceive, the subjective.

    Our universe of existence is the ‘subjective’ produced by the relationship between two objectives. Further separate interactions between these two objectives may have led to other universes. A subjective produced could be called a separate entity, it is then also subjective to each of the two objectives and each of the two objectives are subjective to it.

    Let us call the perceptions of the initial subjective by the two objectives, subjective a & b. Let us call the perceptions of the initial subjective of the two objectives, subjective 1 & 2. Subjective 1 & 2 can be seen to both be self-perceptions of the subjective as it uses the objective to perceive it’s self.

    Hence subjective 1 & 2 can multiply indefinitely. But subjective a & b are different from the numbered subjectives, as a & b are self perceptions of the two objectives using the initial subjective.

    We should now be able to see that there are three types of subjective;

    -The first type is the initial subjective, a subjective produced by an interaction between two objectives.
    -The second type, are the subjective 1 & 2, they are produced by interactions between subjectives (an infinite number of them can possibly be produced, on condition that there is interaction).
    -The third type of subjective, are subjective a & b, these are produced by an interaction between the subjective and the either of the two objectives

    Subjective type three can also be seen to then produce a sub-category of subjectives that will also produce subjectives between themselves indefinitely. The initial subjective may also multiply as hinted before to produce other universes.
     
  8. Burada Registered Senior Member

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    It's probably everything you said it is and then some........
     
  9. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Damn, i didnt even know that a sentance could be that complicated. Im having the biggest migrain from reading this.

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  10. gorillasgocrazy Registered Member

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    Universe visuals:

    george_smoot_on_the_design_of_the_universe (sorry cant post links yet)

    Check out the vids (ted.com) above for some super visuals on the way our universe is layed out, forget the speaker though he's crap.
     
  11. Xylene Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, definitely--the Unknown Universe.

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  12. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    fedr808. There are a number of things we take for granted as being true. I was taught that everyone thought the Earth was flat centuries ago and that sailors feared falling off the edge of it, etc but some later investigation showed me it wasn't true.
     
  13. Burada Registered Senior Member

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    That some pretty heavy science you're talking about here.........
     
  14. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    What is beyond the known universe?
    I'm not telling.

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  15. Burada Registered Senior Member

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    Good! I like surprises.
     
  16. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Just a thought....If one gazes at the quantum world where the laws of physics that exist for our universe appear to break down, then could this indicate a boundary to another universe or a transition from one world to another?
     
  17. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    I can't find the episodes but we know what happens at the end of the universe, nothing! It's empty with weird lightning that makes people into gods or something. It's really strange but true!
     
  18. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Wait, that is not how it ends. The universe is energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. At least that is the premise. It reasonably follows from that premise that the energy of the universe has always existed; all of it has always existed and none of it was ever created. And add the simple premise that there is no end to space and that all points in space have some level of energy density leaving no voids, then of course it follows that energy too is infinite in amount. And along with these speculations which I find intuitively satisfying, let's add the view that time too has always existed; there was no beginning. Put them all together and what have you got?

    Song lyrics: Salagadoola mechicka boola bibbidi-bobbidi-boo
    Put 'em together and what have you got
    bippity-boppity-boo which defeats entropy, enables the universe to perpetuate itself, thus avoiding any sort of "end of the universe" scenario

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    You have an eternal and infinite universe filled with fluctuating energy density. That would mean our observable universe is just a little expanding patch within the infinite spongy universe it seems.
     
  19. BobbyGene Registered Member

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    If the Law of Conservation is true then, in terms we usually think in, there cannot have been a beginning. This is not to say that our Universe had no beginning, it says that the Universe came from somewhere else. Quantum Mechanics has an interpretation called The Many Worlds Theory. I don't agree with there interpretation but I like the general idea. It seems to me that Anything that CAN happen MUST happen. QM usually says that reality splits. If there was no beginning then an infinite number of Universes may have existed and might exist at this point. I think the best guess would be that there are an infinite number of Universes sprinking from whereever and returning to where they came from at some future time.
     
  20. Will.T Registered Member

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    Here is something I do know about the universe and beyond. That God created it all and it is made very clear to me and hopfully to you , as well, in Genesis 1;1 of the Holy Bible. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. What's out there for sure God only knows, but if it is his will we will find out what's out there for sure someday. But for me personally the only thing I'm looking toward the heavens for is the coming of Gods only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. I pray that you do the same. Thanks and God bless....
     
  21. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    No, that's a belief.
     
  22. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    But gods exist in The Dream I Had Last Night.
     
  23. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    the guy from the matrix with his TV screens

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