What happens if you teleport into a solid object?

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by eram, Nov 7, 2014.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    So why not post the non-provisional? If you have already filed you are now protected against someone else "stealing" it.
     
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  3. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    I don't need to wait to see if you're a crank. You're science is crank bullshit, you're trolling this forum with bullshit, and I'm pretty sure you're a real person. Nobody is going to wonder about your patent or whether you're a crank, troll or real.
     
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  5. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    You're the one who needs to do some research.
     
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  7. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    This thread has outlived any purpose it might have had, especially with the new troll-fool.

    I suggest that it be moved out of Physics & Math at the least.
     
  8. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    That is absolutely true. You can also see 2 x 4 being shot through concrete block walls. I have never seen nor heard of a 2 x 4 being stuck through a steel I-beam. If you have evidence of this please present it.

    Really you have evidence of a piece of straw that is stuck in a window without the window pane being cracked? Please backup this claim with evidence or withdraw your claim.
    Really , you have evidence of a 2 x 4 imbedded in an I-beam? Please backup this claim with evidence or withdraw your claim.

    Please backup your claim with evidence, or withdraw your claim.
     
  9. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    No questions but a couple of observations.

    The patent application is dated 31st March 2015 and is expected to be published - as an application, that is - in June 2016. It is unlikely to survive the examination process and be granted, I think.

    The website gives no information at all about the nature of the process used.
     
  10. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    And to think this can all be done with current technology.
    Some retuning needed somewhere.

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  11. JerryG Registered Member

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    Yes, it is my site, and the figure is #3 of my applied patent.

    As for the quote, true in many cases; probably definitely in science. We seem to get stuck in what we are taught, versus both any common sense and even what we experience.
    Take UFOs, we cannot explain them, they violate our science, so they don't exists, no matter what people see or believe.
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Because there is no repeatable evidence of anything that lacks explanation. Your patent application will never be granted.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Of course they exist. I have seen them. Doesn't mean they are space aliens.
     
  14. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    That sums it up nicely. "No repeatable evidence of anything that lacks explanation".
     
  15. brucep Valued Senior Member

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    As for sentence two. Cranks seem to get stuck in what we are taught, ........ Yada, Yada Yada. Paraphrased. The only way to arrive at that conclusion is to take a clueless path.
     
  16. Cloud Variable Registered Member

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    One day a few years ago, I was thinking about quantum mechanics and considered quantum tunneling. I eventually asked myself this question, but remember that the atmosphere and even space has molecules, atoms, and particles such as cosmic rays, background radiation, oxygen, and other gases. What if you teleported into those too?? I came up with several answers.
    Answer #1 You can’t do that, it fucks with Pauli’s Exclusion Principle.
    The Exclusion Principle states that no two things in the same system can share the same quantum state. This is why the quantum state of an electron orbital always contains particles moving directly opposite of each other with opposite angular momentum, meaning that the 2 electrons can exist in the same orbital without having to break the Exclusion Principle due to their opposite motion. If 2 things were in the exact same position at once, this would also break the Exclusion Principle so it can’t possibly happen.
    Answer #2 You would turn into a star.
    This is both incredibly interesting and extremely dangerous. Interesting because it involves cold fusion, or getting fusion without much input energy, and dangerous because YOU WOULD TURN INTO A FRICKING STAR!! If the matter was teleported into other matter, it is a possibility that fusion would occur far beyond the level that it does in the sun, a level where particles can be superimposed onto each other to create incredibly high energies and possibly even never before seen particles. This would indeed be a very very nasty type of nuclear fusion bomb.

    Also, I have a theory on the reason teleporting is possible. Now, imagine you freeze a snapshot of the moment you teleport. Where are you? You wouldn’t be in one place, but you could be either in no places at once or both places at once. Both violate the Energy Conservation Principle, because you either make new energy from nothing or destroy energy respective of either situation. But my theory adds in the idea of quantum superposition. In order to preserve the possiblility of quantum tunneling, the quantum information field hides it from the laws of physics. In a mathematical sense, it adds both events and divides the result by the square root of two. This entangles the answer. This works like irrationally in numbers. Irrational numbers go on forever, so you can’t get a whole final answer. Since you can only know more and more about the answer the more you boil down the superposition (like finding more digits of pi) but not ever be absolutely certain of the answer, you don’t know which is which. So in the trial of the laws of physics, tunneling doesn’t get in trouble because the judge (the energy conservation Principle) can never ever ever finish reading the list of charges. You don’t know whether the evidence is faked or true, but you can be damn sure that it’s one of the two. So that makes teleporting (tunneling) possible.
     
  17. NotEinstein Registered Senior Member

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    My understand of quantum tunneling is that you can only tunnel to more energy-"efficient" states. In other words, you can't tunnel towards something that is difficult to approach in the first place. (You can tunnel through such "areas", hence why it is call tunneling.) A good example would be with two negative charges. One charge would only tunnel away from the other, never towards.

    In the end, it's all about probabilities. The chance of tunneling increases the lower potential is in the new state. So you wouldn't (in a natural way) tunnel into air: the potential there is way too high. Too many molecules in the way, with charges and what-not. This is indeed what would create the fusion in your #2 answer. So (again, my understanding) it won't happen because exactly because the mechanics of tunneling forbid such a case.

    Now, if you can somehow "force" it, things might be different. But that would fully depend on the exact details of how this technology works.
     
  18. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    If they are unexplained, how do you know they violate some known scientific principle?
     
  19. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I think that a patent is granted if the device described is original & not an infringement on some existing patent.

    I do not think it is required to be provably possible to manufacture it.

    Only perpetual motion devices patents require a workable model. This requirement was requested by patent office workers due to a vast number of patents for perpetual motion devices prior to 1900.

    The search for possible infringement on existing patents required a lot of time for patent office workers & they requested relief from the legislature.​
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The properties of the two substances are expected to merge - so if you teleport into a brick wall, you will become strong and hard and able to stop bullets etc. You can gain more properties by teleporting into different materials in sequence - so that once you have become strong and hard like brick, you can teleport into a helium filled blimp and gain the ability to fly. Note that the sequence matters - if you do the helium first you will become an aerosol, and then when you do the brick you will become a cloud of little hard particles.

    So you have to work the sequence out carefully. It's best to write it down, in advance, as well: after you have teleported your brain into a brick you may not be able to reproduce your chain of reasoning.
     
  21. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    I agree with Krash. You cannot occupy the same space. Teleportation to that place is impossible.
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The devil is in the details. In order to meaningfully decide what might happen when you teleport, one must first have a mechanism of teleportation.
    How do the atoms get moved?

    Who says that some machine that can tunnel a bunch of atoms from here to there couldn't place those atoms in the gaps between atoms already in place?

    Note that you don't need a brick wall to ask how teleportation might fail. To teleport in air, you are still doing the same thing - placing atoms amongst other atoms.
    You'd be just as dead if your entire body were suffused with 80 litres of air. You'd explode, as all the atoms tried to push each other back to their correct distance.

    Oh, your machine displaces the air atoms? Who says it can't displace brick atoms?

    Swaps them? Same thing. (Only now you have a perfectly person-shaped, brick statue sitting on your transceiver pad.)
     
  23. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    It is interesting to note that so called solid objects are mostly empty space.

    The appearance of solidarity is due to electromagnetic effects.

    The electron clouds surrounding the nuclei of atoms/molecules cause a repellent force when two solid objects approach each other.​

    Teleportation is a SciFi concept & the nature of it is up to the author.

    I wonder about the definition of teleportation.

    Is it somehow different from an object like a bullet moving from one place to another?

    Does the teleported object get from one place to another faster than light speed?

    The Star trek transporter will never be a possible technology due to the lack of receiving equipment at the destination.
    BTW: The Star Gate has receiving equipment at the destination, which puts in the realm of SciFi. The Star Trek transporter is fantasy due to the lack of receiving equipment.

    I have mentioned this difference in other Threads, but many do not understand the fundamental difference between the two fictional technologies.​
     

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