Where are people claiming that what they say is true, rather than just, to them, more likely (with reasoning given), or that evidence that one may find compelling is insufficient for them (with reasoning given)? Then why do you raise such a stink when people ask for their own standard of support before they will consider a matter supported (to them)? Baffling. Bye, then. A short while ago I was hoping you'd be giving some examples of science that was 40 years ahead, and what you consider "real science" to be (examples of, not just some waffle you can hide behind). Who has ever said that?? It's a case that if the public are unsure of reality then they adopt a practical approach that works for them, up to the point that it ceases to work. Then they learn and adapt to their knew experience and understanding. But ultimately it doesn't matter to anyone if we know the reality or not. But you have raised/hinted at knowing differently to others. Some of us are therefore curious, even genuinely interested. But it seems you have no intention of sharing. You're really just a big soft tease at heart, aren't you Krash. Aw, need a hug?