What does religion do for mankind that the statement "Be kind" doesn't do better?

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  1. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I was referring more to the thread on sciforums.
     
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  3. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Justice (the premise for your "kindness") is one thing. The legal system is another. Ask anyone who works within 10ft of the legal system.
     
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  5. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Silly, isn't it?
     
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  7. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Then, if one is vouching that there is nothing higher than the individual development of higher qualities (as opposed to the attainment to a sphere where it is the norm and not, as our current experience dictates, the exception) it begs the question whether there can be regulative principles, formalities etc that help foster higher qualities.
    For instance, does something like marriage have a reasonable potential to help individuals foster higher qualities?
     
  8. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    There was an atheist guffawing thread? I missed that. Please provide link.
     
  9. Capracus Valued Senior Member

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    No, philosophy isn’t about making positive connections, it’s about imaging such connections. You don’t make positive connections with actual things without engaging in actual investigations of these things.
    To the degree that something can be empirically demonstrated or supported determines how it’s ranked in regards to it’s validity. Demonstrated connections with supernatural deities doesn’t even register on this scale.
    The basis I mentioned above.
    A religious authority would have to demonstrate that their claims of divine contact were either empirically testable, or distinguishable from human imagination. In other words, at least what you might expect in a court of law.
    What does the appreciation or lack thereof of an architectural relic have to do with demonstrating divine reality?
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    About atheist and harbouring unrealistic standards

    OK so let's take off the table swapping the pyramids with the statue of Liberty

    That's gone

    Mumbles - would have been easy for a entity who created the Universe in 6 days

    So to all/any theist what do you have in mind which would meet a realistic standard?

    How about any of those in the book? Flip through the book and pick one, tee it up with the boss, organise the venue and get the T shirts printed

    Should be a sell out crowd with the certainty of thousands of converts the likes of which Billy could only dream of

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  11. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    You are just utilizing philosophy but choosing to call it something else. Making a whole out of parts, or taking a whole down to parts (or to put it even more simply, seeing the relationship between things) is the essence of the rumination process.

    Only when you are talking about empiricism, otherwise its bollocks
    If you have ever taken your car to mechanic, accepted professional legaladvice, undergone a medical proceedure or caught a plane without requiring to bust into the cockpit to check that the pulot knows what they are doing, you are in staunch ageeement with the before-mentioned.

    Then your basis is unreasonable. Much like visiting a mechanic, lawyer, doctor or airport, you don't establish credibility with empiricism in this regard.

    Demonstrate to who, exactly?

    Even in the case of law, reasonable doubt is determined by particular individuals.

    Nothing ar all.
    But one can't help notice atheists who criticize theists for having a sky daddy, and in the same breath criticize God for not doing His half of the deal (at least, the duty they imagine a rightful God should possess) inadvertently reveal something about their own core beliefs about the relationship between God, the living entity and this world .. ..

    It's kind of like requiring a second caricature un order to get a good laugh at the first one.
     
  12. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    What good is "kindness" if it doesn't come from the heart? You could build a religion on the word, and it would still be empty.
     
  13. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Just fake it till you make it, baby!
    It wasn't proposed as a religion; it was proposed instead of religion.
    Kindness, for starters, is a whole lot cheaper.
     
  14. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    There is a difference.

    So much better when you can save a dollar?
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Dude! Spin doctor much?

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    So much better when someone isn't charging you taxes for your own actions.
     
  16. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    You are always free to offer your kindness free of charge.
     
  17. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Show me. Even if the difference between non-heartfelt kindness and heartfelt kindness is evident to the recipoient, it's nothing to the difference between unheartfelt kindness and heartfelt condemnation.


    For comparable benefit, you betcha! For palpable benefit compared to theoretical benefit, quadruple it.
    The question was, after all, what does religion do for mankind, not what else can mankind do besides religion.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    That's kind of the point of this thread, no?
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It can feed the hungry, clothe the naked.
     
  20. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    The thread is comparing religion and kindness.
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The point is: what can religion do what simply being kind can't.

    You pointed out that one can always be kind of their own free will.

    So, why do we need to pay a tithe to other people to tell us when, where and how to be kind.
     
  22. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Religion might help you find it.

    It's meaningless when it doesn't come from the heart. That applies whether it's done under threat or for advantage. Do I donate to charity to help others or for a tax write off?

    You don't, but I can see how a religion might spring up from the worship of kindness.
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    There are three things posted on this thread as possibilities - if anyone actually cares.
     

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