What Does "Politically Correct" Mean?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by spidergoat, Jul 29, 2016.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, and TAG - you're it!

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  3. mtf Banned Banned

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    If they are in positions of power, then it becomes true.

    A person can think that way only once they are far enough advanced in the social hierarchy.

    IIRC, you're not a teenager anymore, right?

    Yes, career advisors like to say such things.

    Of course.

    Which sometimes sing like a choir.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No, it doesn't. Other people don't lay claim over whether you are a loser.


    No! The very nature of character is that you define who you are.

    People in slums do not have to become thieves just because their circumstances are adverse. They choose to be law-abiding.

    ?? Character is something only teenagers have??

    Yes. And you choose what your character allows.
    I just walked away from a job to a 15K cut in salary because the company has started exploiting its consumers instead of helping them.

    I can't be proud of making the world a worse place, even if they pay me lots of money.
    I can be proud of making the world a better place for a modest amount of money.

    That is a win.

    And sometimes whisper like dark voices in your head.

    Do you want to be what others define as a winner? (You will not succeed. It is a moving target.)
     
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  7. mtf Banned Banned

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    Of course they do. This is how one is, or isn't a loser.

    And live with the damnning consequences of those choices.

    You sound extremely optimistic. For many people, the last time in life they are optimistic is when they are teenagers. From then on, it just goes downwards.

    You've already found another job? You're extremely fortunate!

    More and more people nowadays cannot afford to have either character or morality, because if they insist in them, they simply end up on the street.

    It's not a matter of what one wants. It's a matter of what is necessary to do in order to make ends meet.
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No. The word 'is' or 'isn't' refer to what exists - what is extant.
    A label does not make a person. You are not actually loser just because someone else thinks so.

    They can only label you a loser if you agree to their terms on what the race is, and where the finish line is.

    And that is the folly. We each get to choose our own race. It behooves us to avoid letting others determine our race.

    Most good people do not consider 'I am not a criminal' as having 'damning consequences'.
    Good people consider being a criminal to be worse than being poor.

    This is an unfalsifiable assertion. It has no weight.

    One always has free will. As above, most good people consider crime to be worse than poverty, which informs their choice.
     
  9. mtf Banned Banned

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    In the case of loserdom, being called a loser makes one a loser.

    Aww, you're so optimistic!

    "Good" according to whose standards of goodness? Their own?

    It was in reference to my asking you about not being a teenager anymore.

    But there are some good people who don't consider crime to be worse than poverty?


    Also, when you talk about good people, and about how each person has to define things for themselves -- then how can _you_ talk about good people?

    Clearly, people typically consider themselves to be good people, regardless of what others think of them.
    If everyone defines things for themselves, and is to be assessed by how they themselves define things, and not by some objective standard, then your whole point about goodness is moot.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Demonstrably false.

    You are a loser.

    See?

    Thanks. I'll take it that you have no quarrel with the statement.

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    "Good" according to whose standards of goodness? Their own?


    And I explained that it seems you think having character is quaint - a luxury for the young.


    Crime is, by definition, antithetical to good. (Yes, there are equivocations - Robin Hood, et al, corrupt laws, etc.)

    Because good, being a moral issue is - to some extent - societally agreed upon. It's the willing agreement to a societal contract. Crime is antisocial.


    Those committing crimes who think they're good, surely consider themselves to be good despite hurting other people. But they surely still acknowledge that they are part of society: they still uphold the contract when it comes to their loved ones. Hard to imagine someone who sees themslves as "good" will steal food from their own wife and baby.

    In the context of a society (as opposed to independent, warring tribes), crime must cause internal conflict - a divide - between the desire to care and the need to exploit. A criminal must draw a line between we and they. In choosing to be part of society, that line will be a tough one to keep static. (Is my next door neighbour a we or a they? Today he let me in the front door. Yesterday he left his door unlocked.)

    I did not say everyone defines everything for themselves. They define their success for themselves.
     
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  11. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not. I think civilization will end pretty soon, and the vulgarians will be among the first to pull down its ramparts.
    Maybe so. I simply said you can defend yourself verbally: talk back. But I suppose you could go to court and it would be expensive.
    Oh well. Your critics are just exercising their freedom of speech. If you don't like what they say, tough.
    Then what's your objection to people saying bad things about you?
    And what's this got to do with cars, fcs?
    Not anymore. Now we - nice, articulate, thoughtful, tolerant, and considerate people - have Political Correctness on our side.While it lasts.
    Uncivil vs civil war - obviously.
     
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  12. mtf Banned Banned

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    Which indicates that being a vulgarian is the option that has the evolutionary advantage.

    Talking back tends to be expensive, if you're the one below.

    It's not about not liking what they say. It's about making sense of this world in which it apparently pays off the most to be a brute.
     
  13. mtf Banned Banned

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    Did you say that for rhetorical purposes or because you mean it?
    If the latter, then I'm a loser.

    Yes, and the beautiful and the wealthy.
    The standards are, of course, a lot higher for women. A woman can have all the character she wants, and it means nothing if she isn't also beautiful.

    We'll see in November.

    There are people like that.

    That is so only for members of society, not for individuals. Society is disappearing, and there are now just more and more individuals.

    It's not clear how being part of society is a choice. If society doesn't approve of a person, that person cannot become part of society.

    If they define success for themselves, then they also define everything else for themselves.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Wow.
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, you speak for yourself. You do not speak for me.

    Why do you place so much importance on what others think?

    It's like saying "the river wants to keep pushing me downstream. Instead of crossing it, I must just accept its desire, and not bother to hold my course."

    Individuality and society are not exclusive.

    See above river example. No one said individuality wasn't work.

    Lots of people choose not to be part of society, to some degree.


    That does not follow.
     
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  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I just need a minute to process it - to make a few audible blinks.

    You just acknowledged that you are - in reality - a loser, through no other contrivance that me saying so.
    Why do you think I get to (arbitrarily, and without warrant or defense, I might add) make you - in reality - a loser?

    (Point of order here: I do not actually think you are. I'm exploring why you think I could, if I chose to.)
     
  18. mtf Banned Banned

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    If you mean it, then for you, and for all my interaction with you, I am, and this is how you'll treat me.
    Such is the power of name-calling: It defines the nature of the relationship between the people involved, and in turns it shapes people accordingly.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Do you believe that his claim ACTUALLY makes you a loser? Not 'redefines the relationship' or 'obfuscates interaction' or any other such blather. Do you believe that, as you stated, "being called a loser makes one a loser?"
     
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  20. mtf Banned Banned

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    What others think determines how they will treat a person and what will be possible for this person. Hence it is so important what others think.

    No. The adequate analogy would be something like this: "I must keep up with the herd or they will trample me down."

    I think they are.

    While society expells many others.

    It does, beacause "success" is an overarching meta-term.
     
  21. mtf Banned Banned

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    When you call someone a loser, do you mean it? Do you then treat that person as a loser?
    It's like scapegoating: When people declare someone a scapegoat, they stone that person (or whatever happens to be the method of scapegoating fashionable in their locale), and the person is a scapegoat.
    Like I said, some words are performative.
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, but that is not making you a loser. It does not define who you actually are.

    No. They can try. They wll always try.
    Some parts of society declaring you a loser does not make all parts of society see you as a loser, any more than one name-caller on the playground makes everyone else call you names.
    Some - many - will respect you for who you are.
     
  23. mtf Banned Banned

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    Have you ever witnessed a mob?

    Wishful thinking.
     

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