What do you see when you meditate?

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by seekeroftheway, Feb 20, 2006.

  1. Tamz Registered Member

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    Curious about my experience

    Hopefuly long story...short.

    I've always been a very spiritual person, even when i was a child. I sometimes joke and say its in my blood only to find I'm a AB+ blood type...which is said to be the most spiritual blood type. Anyhow back to what my question is.

    I've tried meditaing for awhile, off and on. I understand the whole concept etc about it minus one experience I had.

    After my hot yoga class we laid down and meditated. While meditating I experience about 20 seconds of seeing nothing, no visual pictures, no words, no thoughts, only blackness and my body felt like it was levitating. Yes it was only 20 seconds but felt so powerful.

    Is this normal? What degree of meditation was this. I feel lost as in what happened....Can anyone tell me anything about what I went through?

    Reason I'm asking is because I was going to a center about positive living and had a mind treatment, 3/4 of the session was awesome but the other 1/4 was very judgmental. The Rev told me I wasn't spiritual, have never meditated, I'm corrupting my son (who is in a private school & has an IQ of 145), told me I need to be alone and heal myself, told me I was sexually abused and so much more. I left feeling confused. The good parts made me feel great but the judgmental parts left me feeling like a bag of dirt.
     
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  3. werzil Banned Banned

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    Perhaps you surrender desire to breathe, so that breathing is not conscious effort, but control of breath still possible through unconscious 'effort' like before you breathe any air, like diving reflex in newborns.

    Very deep, powerful experience, if you can still concentrate and keep mind on breath, without 'breathing' yourself. You open "Kundalini" yogic mantra, connect with Lotus of infinite self with mind at infinity and base of spine at root of Lotus, which is at eternal place of rest. Very relaxing and comforting, like in womb of mother.
    But conscious, because you now have mind, personality you not have before, in womb. Before birth, are in state of unconscious observance of true nature, forget completely at birth because world is cold and noisy - big distraction for new mind with new job to understand strange new world.

    Since you have this experience, no need to listen to words from any other person, me or anyone, can ignore distraction of religious dogma, psychobabble, etc.

    Secret is, not to think about "how" or if can do again, already you are doing, no need to think about how, why, just concentrate "inside", forget about world outside for a while. World still there, after.
     
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  5. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Finally..... some sense. Take heed all of you who believe you've entered another realm, reached a higher level of understanding, reached a greater state of being, been enlightened, became one with God, got in touch with their soul, and escaped from reality because .....

    As Werzil said, the world is still there, waiting to welcome you back to a reality from which you never left in the first place. In fact just being able to meditate is reality. There's no getting away from it.

    Meditation is a way to relax. Good for the mind but nothing about meditation is paranormal, metaphysical, nor does it transcend time and space. It's a way of thinking. Why meditate? Why play golf? Because we can.
     
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  7. wise acre Registered Senior Member

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    How would you know this?
     
  8. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    From meditating, what else?

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    Hey, if outrageous claims can be made that counter mine then I am within my right to claim the opposite is true

    C'mon wise acre, I know its like saying there's no god, plus I realize that there is always a chance for the unproven. So far as the evidence goes, there is none, but if you find some be sure and let everyone know.

    I knew that my statement would illicit a response such as yours but I expected it from someone else. Is it proof I'm clairvoyant? Well there's always a chance.
     
  9. wise acre Registered Senior Member

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    So from your experiences meditating you know what other people cannot be experiencing in their meditation.

    Oh, I'd certainly defend your right to make your claims.

    The evidence is pretty flimsy that the consciousness that is an epiphenomenon of 'your' body now is the same consciousness that was there ten years ago.

    Hm. I can't remember putting forward a proof like this. No, I am pretty sure I would never use a proof like this.
     
  10. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Good Lord, do I have to spell it out for you? Think harder.

    How would you know this?

    If you can't remember, how would you know this?

    Anybody can play this game. How would I know this?
     
  11. wise acre Registered Senior Member

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    I paraphrased your argument. If it was correct, say so. If it wasn't try rewording or explaining. Like a conversation.

    Making little ad hom shots like the above quote are pretty pointless, don't you think?
    You disagree?

    So you took that literally. OK. In English that phrasing often means 'I didn't', but it has a tinge of sarcasm. So I will be clear. I did not make that argument. It is irritating when someone counters or mocks an argument I did not make in a reply to me as if I did. Please don't. If you feel you need to let me know and I'll ignore you.
    It's not only a game to ask for support for a claim.
    You claimed knowledge about what everyone cannot possibly be experiencing when they meditate.
     
  12. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    Most the time meditating is just the usual stuff but every now and then something totally weird happens. Perfectly normal. Don't let it bother you. Enjoy it for what it is and then get back to meditating.

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    There aren't degrees. There is just you and your mind.

    This is what is called a clue.

    Avoid hanging out with assholes and giving them access to your inner states.

    You are lucky you only wasted a session and whatever you paid for it.

    People who are internally weak are drawn to abuse like that just like a moth to a flame. They will keep going back and rave about how great the "rev" is. Its the same abuse dynamic that people drawn to abusing relationships go through.

    Congratulations on passing this spiritual test.

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  13. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Same as I have claimed God doesn't exist. There is always a chance until proven impossible.

    If you want to believe a thought can leave your head to actually go somewhere outside your physical being into another realm or universe, go and do whatever a traveling thought does, return to where it originated then show me how. I'd bet the house & mortgage on nothing really happening other than you had a good think.

    Take it away John & Paul.....
    But when it's all said and done:
     
  14. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    hehe

    Then I guess you have accepted your guru and are acting accordingly
     
  15. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Great swami, I see a nice ledge on a mountainside reserved for you when you retire. If some poor soul needs enlightenment then they can scale the cliffs of despair until they reach you and gaze upon your smiling countenance(and beard) and ask of you the answer to the pinnacle of all of life's questions, "WHY?". I'm sure that will be an easy one.
     
  16. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    The side of the mountain is not as desolate as you imagine

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  17. EndLightEnd This too shall pass. Registered Senior Member

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  18. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing, I have my eyes closed.

    What do I experience? Just pleasant thoughtless restful awareness.
     
  19. DeviKaliMa Registered Member

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    Normally when I meditate I see either lights of different colors, or nothing, or pyramids, sometimes I see myself sitting crosslegged in space. It depends how deep in meditation I am.

    -- Kali,
    meditation-mantra.org Teacher
     
  20. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    I see dead threads.
     
  21. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    i see futility. i honestly don't get the point of trying to empty your mind. perhaps an exercise in concentration, but i'd rather concentrate on something than nothing.
     
  22. kmguru Staff Member

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    Ditto
     
  23. Arachnakid Linguist-In-Training Registered Senior Member

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    Personally, when I meditate I either percive very vague sensations (such as spidergoat described) or fall into a sort of lucid dreaming where I both percieve the world around me as it is and manipulate those perceptions. During this second state, I feel open and seperated from my body, and I also begin to personify or sympathize with everything around me. I do not think that I have ever approached "true" meditation--I am easily distracted by the swarming of my own thoughts. I can relax, but I cannot focus.
     

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