Discussion in 'Politics' started by desi, Apr 11, 2009.
OK, I'm confused.
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That's good, but the parties run the abstract concepts, unfortunately.
Actually, Mises advocated for the replacement of government- the end of coercive force. And the neocons love big government, but they like policy that supports corporations.
What do I dislike about Democrats today? I dislike their lack of balls when it comes to investigating and punishing the war criminals in the Bush administration. It's like they all have this paranoia. "Jeepers. Sorry, Republicans! We didn't mean to end up here. We don't really want to punish you for your crimes like we said we did. Commit all the crimes you want. We'll just whimper in that corner over there."
Uh, hello? Don't Democrats remember why they made huge gains in Congress in 2006? Don't they remember why they made similar gains in Congress in 2008, and why they now control the executive branch? Do they think there was some fluke, and we didn't actually vote for them? Do they not realize that we turned to them in large part to rid ourselves of the Republican scum? Do they not realize that maybe if they clean up the most heinous of the scum, or at least genuinely try to, it will make the American people glad they voted for Democrats?
Eventually, the people will discover their vote was in vain, and they will run back to the Republican Party like it's an old, abusive, but "not all that bad" boyfriend. The Democrats will have brought it upon themselves, and upon this great nation.
They will also need to make some serious tracks toward getting the US economy back on track, and likewise show an effort of compromise. (Likewise the Republicans need to do the same.
Actually, I disagree partially. I feel that most are so disgusted that they will find a third party, any third party. I read and article a week or so ago about the possibility of a rise of a third party, namely the Libertarians since they're a more practical and sensible choice given their strength compared to other third parties. I tend to agree, though the Greens might have an outside chance. I personally would love to see third parties gain power.
Ah, hello, "Devan." Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I must credit Chris Matthews of Hardball as the inspiration for that. He said something similar to that when he was annoyed by suggestions by conservative pundits that Obama should tread lightly. (Oh really? Kinda like how Bush didn't?)
I doubt that. I think there were plenty of times in US history where people got just as disgusted with both parties. But each time, one of two things happened: A third-party candidate performed surprisingly well, but not nearly well enough (think Ross Perot); or the third party fills the vacuum left behind by a shriveled-up former major party and becomes a major party in itself (Federalists were replaced by Whigs, who in turn were replaced by Republicans).
I don't think our first-past-the-post voting system can sustain more than two major parties for more than two election cycles. Every time it has come close, one of the two scenarios I described above happened.
If they significantly moderate their economic agenda and strictly adhere to their ideal social policy agenda like there's no tomorrow, maybe I'll consider voting for them. I'd much rather have a Green though.
It's extremely unlikely to happen unless we fundamentally change the way we vote for politicians. Until then, I fear we're stuck with (generally) mindless Republicans who create the messes and (generally) spineless Democrats who are reluctant to clean them up.
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their lack of sack
You've made a good point. The neocons idealize corporations taking over the functions of government, but they also want big government there to subsidize them at taxpayer expense, to bail them out when they get in trouble and to pass loop-hole laden laws their lobbyists draw up and that make their dishonest corportate moves legal.
I agree, but the Administration had to be low-key now and seem more "bi-partisan" because of the delicate shape the economy is in. He is trying to avoid the issue of prosecuting them now, but you and others put him on the defensive so he had to opened up and acknowledged his intent later to go after them. This is not a good time to put the Republicans more on the defensive.
However, I sure do hope they criminally prosecute those involved and I think it would include the whole top rank of the Bush Administration. I call them war criminals . . .
Hi, "Athelwulf"! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I agree that Obama needs to tread lightly, only so because everything, politically at least, is volatile. I would rather see him make progress carefully, versus him going wild - and possibly alienating not just the independents, but possibly his base. (Hmm, Obama Gone Wild...haha, too funny)
Think "One and done."
That (the second one you mentioned) is a possibility; however, the question would then be: Which party will shrivel? Unless the GOP get their acts together it seems they're the most likely, though it could just as well be the Dems.
Let's give it few years, say 4-8? Then we can get together and have one of us tell the other "I told you so." Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Perhaps, but times can change things.
Haha, of course.
Perhaps, I would tend to agree with you. I think you (unintentionally?) hit on something intriguing:
It's my belief/theory that the average American is largely uninformed and/or does not make the effort to become informed. This leads to fear - of the other party. Looking at some of the ignorant comments I've read: good grief charlie brown - what sort of country are we?
Frankly, both parties play on the aberrant fear and people tend to buy it hook, line, and sinker.
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