They have value wherever some ignorant person is labeling ordinary research findings "alarmist". And as you just admitted, you can't tell the difference between that and the actual AGW research. You don't know what's in the AGW research reports. The interesting matter is why you - and the rest of the denialist pack - insist on labeling stuff "alarmist", when you have no way of knowing whether it is or not. You did that for me. Like this: According to the AGW research you know nothing about, the most likely expectation from the findings is that there are lots of places where the townsfolk will move or die under the effects of AGW. Those are the places under discussion - those are the places you tried to conceal by changing the subject to farmers moving to town. That is one of the findings of the AGW researchers. I think they are more likely to be correct than someone who thinks farmers will be switching from wheat to trees and back again as AGW takes hold. It is also common knowledge among those not completely ignorant of agriculture and its necessities. You don't know what you are denying. You don't know what the research findings are. What you actually do is simply deny whatever I post, labeling some of it "alarmist", without checking the research findings, You even declare that any research I post about "doesn't count". They are not an example of the thresholds discovered by the researchers. As I have reminded you three or four times now, those boundaries are not the thresholds reported in the published research I referred to you. You don't know that, obviously, despite your claims to have read the paper, and you have now defended your ignorance in that particular matter several times in this thread. Refugees do not necessarily wait for borders to "open". AGW is expected to be a "large crisis". There's nothing in that paper about your ignorance, or the Republican media feed you have devoted yourself to reposting here. That looks like a good place to break, and notice what the project of denying AGW can bring someone to think and say.