What causes so many forest fires in British Columbia, Canada?

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  1. pluto2 Banned Valued Senior Member

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    British Columbia has many forest fires every year.

    But what causes the fires in british columbia? Is it the hot, dry weather combined with lightning which causes the forest fires?
     
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  3. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    That would do it, wouldn't it?
     
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  5. pluto2 Banned Valued Senior Member

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    I think it will.

    In fact, wildfires are disturbingly easy to start. Either man or nature can cause one with little effort.

    Lightning strikes or the sun's heat can spark a fire, especially in dry summer conditions. Human carelessness also can start a wildfire - - including campfires, smoking, fireworks or improper trash burning. Some wildfires are set deliberately; others can be caused by just bad luck. A train wheel sparking on the track may be all it takes to start the flames. Wildfires can move quickly, as fast as 14 mph (23 kph).

    Links:

    http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/some-common-causes-of-wildfires
    http://ec.gc.ca/meteo-weather/default.asp?lang=En&n=D5DC5444-1
    http://firewise.msu.edu/wildfire_causes
    http://www.weatherwizkids.com/weather-wildfire.htm
    http://www.nps.gov/fire/wildland-fire/learning-center/fire-in-depth/wildfire-causes.cfm
    http://www.arborday.org/replanting/firecauses.cfm
     
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  7. KitemanSA Registered Senior Member

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    Lots and lots and LOTS of trees.
     
  8. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    Beer and matches... Many fires are started so people can work.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    In particular, pine trees.

    They're made to burn.
     
  10. KitemanSA Registered Senior Member

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    Evergreens of all types and sizes!
     
  11. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, what causes a lot of forest fires is putting out forest fires.

    When forest fires come close to residential areas, it is deemed important to put them out. So, instead of letting them burn away the dead wood, needles, etc., that debris is rescued from the flames and it acummulates. Thus, there is more fuel for the next fire and the next.

    Until man came along with his fancy houses, forest fires burned themselves out naturally. They didn't just keep burning as long as there were trees. But putting out the fires unnaturally upsets the whole balance and creates a new unnatural problem.
     
  12. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Umm, I have to disagree with you there. Burning off is done every year here to reduce fuel loads and there is strong historical data that big fires predate the invasion of Australia.

    Even after invasion the bush was left pretty much alone to do its own thing and still we had fires like Black Friday
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1939)

    Even now lots of fires are left to burn and they still happen about every 5 -10 years (the time it takes for the bush to regenerate)

    The areas your right about is that we don't care as much if there aren't homes and business involved so its those fires which are in the city fringes which get the most coverage, not those which burn for months in inaccessible national park and are just left to naturally burn off. The other area that man has had a major impact is climate change, with the increase in extreme hot days\weather conditions the risks from a fire which starts go WAY up
     
  13. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Actually, fires are very rare in redwood forests. Redwoods secrete acid into the soil in such large amounts that it becomes a hostile environment for most types of underbrush. Without underbrush, fires don't spread quickly.

    This is why marijuana growers are attracted to the forests of northwestern California. It's one of the few plants that thrives in soil with a low pH.
     
  14. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    Forest fires are many times a very good thing and are only detrimental to humans who live there for they can lose their entire property and even their own lives. Fires remove most of the scrub and undergrowth that is on the forest floor and do kill the trees but not all of them leaving only the most hearty to survive.


    Each summer, wildfires burn thousands of acres of forests to the ground. For centuries, fires were suppressed, leading to thick, dense forests that ultimately burn with such intensity that their smoke clouds are sometimes visible for hundreds of miles. Wildfires destroy homes, property and burn so much landscape that the scars are visible from space. Each year, we lose as much forested land to fires as we do to logging and conversion to farmland combined. Yet, far from being restricted to forests alone, wildfires are a global problem, affecting areas as diverse as the American West, the far northern tundra and temperate grasslands

    Under ideal conditions, forest fires are beneficial. They clear dead wood and destroy only the lower branches, allowing sunlight to reach the forest floor. After a fire, healthy forests can quickly regenerate with new growth, allowing fire-resistant trees to flourish. Fires also add nutrients to the soil. And many species, including oak and pine, require the heat of fire to crack their tough seed shells.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...h4CYDw&usg=AFQjCNFhVfBXVtS1vnC-S6toYo00RMwwpg
     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    You're not actually disagreeing with what I said; you're just giving an example that doesn't apply.

    My point, again, is that people build subdivisions in the woods and if a forest fire comes anywhere near them, they struggle to put it out; the rubbish is left unburnt, accumulates from year to year and becomes a worse and worse fire hazard. Most of the news coverage is on those fires and most of the money goes into fighting those fires. Fires that don't threaten residences (particularly white, middle-class residences) are left to burn themselves out.
     
  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    You obviously missed the point on fuel reduction in those areas including back burning during the winter

    The class stuff you threw in is irreverent because its complete crap

    I'm not in the CFS, but I am in St John on a response crew and we go to all the big fires to provide aid to the fire fighters and anyone else who needs it so I spend a fair amount of time at bush fires

    Yep the news coverage is mainly on those fires in the city fringes because that's where lives are at risk but fires occur just as frequently (well a little less frequently because they don't have the man made causes so they only really burn from dry lightning) and just as intensely in the untouched areas as they do in the city fringe. This year there were some fires in the APY lands which burned for over 2 months
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    No, I'm making the same point - only there is no fuel reduction in the residential areas; that's the problem.

    There's no reason to think there are more fires in the untouched areas than there have been for thousands of years - unless you count changes in climate, which I haven't commented on at all. The topic question is, "Why are there so many fires?" That's what I answered.
     
  18. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    your wrong about fuel reduction in semi urban and urban environments (at least here you are maybe people are stupid over there)

    As for your second comment your making an assumption that the opening post asks why its increased, he didn't he asked what causes it.
     
  19. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Asguard: You're talking about the Australian experience. The opening post, as I recall, asked about Forest Fires in British Columbia which last time I checked was not in Australia. Are you familiar with the Candian experience at all? Do you know what protocols around such things the Candians have in place?

    Sideshowbob: If you wouldn't mind clarifying for us, are you talking about the Candian perspective or the Australian prespective?
     
  20. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    True but our firefighters go to the US and Canada to help during large bushfires in there fire season and the US sends fire fighters here to help with ours so I honestly can't imagine that our policies don't bleed into each others. You would have to be stupid if you were a high level fire fighter traveling to other countries to assist in there fires and you didn't take back what works and what needs improvement to improve your own policies.
     
  21. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Because the climate in Victoria is the same as the climate in British Columbia right?
    Because the attitudes of people living in Victoria are the same as the attitudes of people living in British Columbia right?
    Because the forests in Victoria are the same as the forests in British Columbia right?
    So the challenges faced in Victoria are the same as the challenges faced in British Columbia right?
    I'm fairly sure the answers to all of these are no. So I'm fairly sure that not everything that works in Victoria is neccessarily going to work in British Columbia.

    Remember what it was that Sideshowbob actually said:
    Emphasis mine. My inference from that sentence is that it refers to the home owners rather than professional fire fighters.
     
  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I was referring to a specific case in Banff, Alberta, which is right next to British Columbia. The inference that putting out forest fires preserves fuel for future fires is not mine; I'm only recalling what was reported on the news.
     
  23. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    The inference is correct. As I understand it, it's one of the reasons they changed they way they manage fire risk in the early eighties to the syste, of "Permitted burns" they use now. As I understand it, the current method is they isolate an area and then burm it off under controlled conditions.

    I seem to recall reading that there had been some correlation between pine bark beetle infestations and forest fire outbreaks. It may even have been discusszed in a threaD here.
     

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