What are the good things Bush II will be remembered for?

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  1. sandy Banned Banned

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    He is. But he has the pathetic, cowardly, whiney-@ss liberal-CONtrolled CONgress to deal with.

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  3. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    but that is a recent thing why did he not do it when the republicans control congress
     
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Blaming congress? What does he care? Clinton had a lame-ass Republican congress to deal with. They were saying "no war for Monica" and "wag the dog", about THE WAR ON TERROR!!

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  7. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    But he still has control of the nukes doesn't he?
     
  8. oreodont I am God Registered Senior Member

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    Good things?

    Bush supporters have high praise for the incredible performance of Rumsfeld. Great regret at the resignation of the quality of an individual like that of the Attorney General, Gonzalez.

    Those are two examples that come to mind. Bush's ability to pick the right people for the job. The Republicans should should put Rumsfeld or Gonzalez on the ticket as VP in November.
     
  9. USS Exeter unamerican american Registered Senior Member

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    Are you actually saying that we should use the nuclaer bomb? I think I will just move to Russia if the US ever makes a decision like that.

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  10. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    But I'm pretty sure he CAN use the bomb is the thing. No one has to let the President use it, unless there's some sort of law somewhere that says the US has to be in a declared war to allow nukes to be used. So sandy's point about the liberal controlled congress stopping Bush from nuking the hell out of the damn terrorists is moot.
     
  11. USS Exeter unamerican american Registered Senior Member

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    Executive orders can override the legislative branch and the judicial branch. However, if he did, it would be such bad politics now wouldn't it? (oh, and it would be murder)
     
  12. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, but that's not the reason sandy gave for Bush not using them, so your point's moot too.

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  13. USS Exeter unamerican american Registered Senior Member

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    Personal attack
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely. I agree.

    With any luck the indictments will come in about the third week in September, and even if the Dems are running Hillary they'll have a chance.

    The President cannot order the nuking of anyone, on his own sole authority, under the Constitutional prohibition on making war without Congressional permission.

    The Constitution is in rough shape, though, at the moment.

    Sounds like a W-style accomplishment, indeed:

    (*) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price-Anderson_Nuclear_Industries_Indemnity_Act

    Those pesky little details: who pays, who's liable, who's taking the risks, where does the money go - - - -
     
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  15. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    The president has sole authority to authorize nuclear attacks. That is why a military officer always accompanies the president. He carries a brief case referred to as the football. It has the codes and ability to authorize use of nuclear weapons.
     
  16. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    I thought this might be the case at first, but then I considered that Bush made war without a formal declaration which is still unconstitutional. So I'm not certain if it would still be considered unconstitutional to use the nukes.
     
  17. Echo3Romeo One man wolfpack Registered Senior Member

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    Shrug. It was the best I could come up with.

    In order to authorize a nuclear release in accordance with the SIOP, the president needs to have concurrence of the SECDEF, who functions as the other half of the NCA.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Command_Authority
     
  18. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Hmm, so either way the President doesn't need Congress to authorize a nuclear attack. I wonder what sandy's complaining about then.
     
  19. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    like the formal declarations for vietnam, korea, yugoslavia, etc.?
     
  20. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    I'm sure you can guess what I think about those.
     
  21. angrybellsprout paultard since 2002 Registered Senior Member

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    war powers act says they are legal :\
     
  22. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Yes but, I'll let wikipedia do the talking for this one:

    Some legal scholars maintain that all military action taken without a Congressional declaration of war (regardless of the War Powers Resolution) is unconstitutional; however, the Supreme Court has never ruled directly on the matter.

    There is also much debate about the meaning of the word "declare". Some scholars suggest that to declare war does not necessarily mean to commence war. During the Philadelphia Convention, there was some discussion about the difference between the power to "make war" and the power to "declare war", and which of the two should be written into the Constitution. A declaration of war lets the citizens of a nation know that they are now at war with some other nation or entity. It also puts the belligerent nations and their citizens on notice. More importantly, this establishes that international law governs the conduct of the war. This protects citizens in all the warring nations involved insofar as if they are captured by the enemy, they will be treated as prisoners-of-war instead of mere criminals.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Clause

    Also check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution#Questions_Regarding_Constitutionality
     
  23. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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