What are the conflicts between atheism and science?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Mind Over Matter, Feb 25, 2011.

  1. IceLight020 Registered Senior Member

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    I will restate myself.

    In order to create a fact, a perception must be created.

    Thus, technically fact is a perception.

    Which in turn means...

    How do we know who is right about what?
     
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  3. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    I have only just dipped my feet into this thread and you are talking like I was here already. Are you questioning me about a different thread? I am not sure of the context running here.
     
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  5. IceLight020 Registered Senior Member

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    You were here 30 seconds ago and more. What is wrong with talking you like you already came? You technically did just come in. Your inside the thread.

    I am telling you that we don't need to continue atheist versus science. In the end, it really doesn't matter. All perceptions stem to fact. That is the flaw in fact. Some perceptions are not the same for two people. Maybe those people instead of arguing may find out that both views are right. Agreed? It is possible.

    That is all I am stating. Both views exist. Everything is based on perception. If fact is perception, maybe we might learn something from someone else from their perception. No harm in taking in their perception. We might find ourselves wrong later on and might actually live a happier life. =]

    I dislike chaos. I am not saying you are creating chaos, but I just like ending arguments between religion and atheist.

    Everyone has something to offer. I am sure you have realized this during your life. You can be Christian...

    But you might offer some logical advice to an atheist.

    And vise versa. In the end, we are co-existing.

    So take advantage of the intellectual power we can gain from it. You don't have to agree to it. Just put it in reserves and agree to disagree until you see what they meant. We find ourselves arguing against people without realizing...

    This is a forum about Atheism and science conflicts. Can we get back on track? Perception is a flaw for atheism. It is a flaw for every religion as well. It is also a flaw for even my own belief system.
     
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  7. IceLight020 Registered Senior Member

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    Even now, I am putting our discussion into reserves. I am creating a theory to prove you right. I don't have a concept formed for that, only contradictions to it. =]

    I like having multiple views on things. It causes me to be socially flexible. x]
     
  8. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    firstly i am not a christian lol. did you not read my sarcasm? secondly i am now going to bed so i cannot play any longer today

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    have a good one.

    PS this is forum for science. This sub-forum is general philosophy. Don't try to stop the debate. that would be intellectual death. Since i have been on this forum battling intelligent people of all descriptions it has reinvigorated my analytical mind. Something i need If I am ever gonna write up my thesis. let the goodtimes roll. But yeah, the differences between atheism and science are a bit of a waste of time.
     
  9. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    Theory to prove what right?
     
  10. IceLight020 Registered Senior Member

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    Never said you were.

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    Ironically I was hoping it didn't stop. x]

    That is why I research against my own views. xD
     
  11. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    I know; just wanted to clarify
     
  12. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    You just want to here my theory don't you

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  13. IceLight020 Registered Senior Member

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    Yes please. So I can take it in reserves, prove myself wrong, then contradict it, and ad infinitum. =]
     
  14. universaldistress Extravagantly Introverted ... Valued Senior Member

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    Sadly it's not ready, plus I want to air it through fiction. Or at least science followed swiftly by the novel (so no one else can do it first).
     
  15. IceLight020 Registered Senior Member

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    Can I contradict air, fiction, science, and novel? xD

    Joking by the way. =]
     
  16. Arkonos Registered Senior Member

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    Along with the paradox of omnipotence and uselessness of life with omniscience.
     
  17. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Kid, atheism is a lack of belief in god(s).

    We get tired of repeating this, we really do. There's no denial involved.

    You yourself were an atheist before someone convinced you your god existed for instance. Reconcile that thought with yourself before posting again.

    What scientific qualifications/experience do you have?
     
  18. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously - go back and read my posts... You're trying to pick an argument where none exists.

    For the last time: I did not say... I do not say... that science disproves God. Someone (not me) commented that "Science is vivid proof of God's existence" and I rebutted them by paraphrasing the scientific method and commenting that I saw no proof of God's existence in that method.
    That was it.
    End of story.

    I really can't see what you're trying to do by arguing with me on this given that we both have the same view that the question of God is outside the purview of science... and can thus be considered purely a matter of faith. The only argument between us is one you have created through your misunderstanding of what I wrote.
     
  19. glaucon tending tangentially Moderator

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    Perhaps the best point yet made in this thread.
     
  20. Arkonos Registered Senior Member

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    Though the nature of science if neutral to that which resides outside the natural realm, it doesn't mean that the evidence provided to us by science is not relevant to that which it does not directly address.
     
  21. IceLight020 Registered Senior Member

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    I never said you did.

    Sorry about the mess. I can just think in multiple perceptions and I am able to rebut what I think. That in turn makes me able to rebut others that side with me. It is something I need to work on evening out.

    I was going to argue about perception and other things in combination but I see that this might be getting annoying to you so I will stop.

    My mind works like the Liar's Paradox. Excuse it please.
     
  22. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    It is fact that a perception is about something in the mind, which may either be from something real or of only imagination.
     
  23. glaucon tending tangentially Moderator

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    Ah, but you are then assuming that there is such a domain as "outside the natural realm"...

    You point however, on 'neutrality' is well noted.
     

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