What are the conflicts between atheism and science?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Mind Over Matter, Feb 25, 2011.

  1. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    But there is Jan. Everything points towards the Big Bang. Stop denying the evidence.
     
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  3. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    What caused the big bang?

    jan.
     
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  5. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    What more evidence do you need? The ancient peoples did not possess video cameras to record angels or any of the other religious phenomena that occurred at the time. However there are still many "Holy books" which can be analyzed and any archaeological evidence uncovered so far. It's not the fault of religion that it goes beyond science as to defy our sense of logic however still remaining logical.
     
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  7. Rav Valued Senior Member

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    I can't speak for every atheist but I doubt that many of them are proposing any such thing. Many people believe instead that the existence of something is the natural state of affairs; that it is impossible for there not to be something. And they're right. The idea that it is possible for nothing to be "here" instead of something is monumentally illogical.
     
  8. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    An extremely rational, objective and open-minded scientist needs to find these proofs because being part of the scientific community it is his/her responsibility to prove or disprove.
     
  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    phlogistician,


    I can understand you disagreement, but why describe someones opinion as heinous (evil)?


    I don't know the context of your infraction, but this may or may not be one.
    Which is why I said, why not wait for a response.

    jan.
     
  10. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    There is no debate and no controversy in the examples you provided and it’s unfair to use them to exemplify your point.
     
  11. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Rav, there is no evidence (scientific) of anything which can be said to have caused the universe from scratch. It all boils down to what one believes.
    I'm merely pointing that out.

    Carrying on from your statement, how can nothing exist?
    There has to be an observer.

    jan.
     
  12. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Well Jan, scientists are trying very hard to answer that question, aren't they?

    The fact we don't have an answer yet doesn't mean that there's room to slip God into the equation however.
     
  13. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Yes there is, the Big Bang theory. Stop ignoring the evidence.
     
  14. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    OK, this should be good. What's your proof that Zeus never existed?
     
  15. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    It's not by accident that the Father of the big bang theory was a Catholic Priest
    A Univerise with a specific begining is very uncomfortable for Athesist
    Also the Theory that time does not exist outside of our Universe. First suggested by Augustine.
    Finally the big bang started with a flash of light (sound familar)
     
  16. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    And exactly why do you believe the unknown is uncomfortable for an atheist?

    You really don't have any basis for any of this spewage do you?
     
  17. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    The ball's in your court. I never claimed Zeus existed. Yes he's popular too, and yet his popularity does not elevate him beyond a mere work of fiction.
     
  18. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Where do you get this (false) idea from?
     
  19. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    You just claimed he doesn't exist. Where your proof he doesn't exist?
     
  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Right. There are "holy" books.
    So, presumably, you also accept Zeus, Osiris and the rest since they equally well documented.
    Why, specifically is your book holy and not the others?

    Goes beyond science? Sure it does. Into fantasy.
    Logical? Hardly.
    How do you know it's logical if it "defies our sense of logic"?

    One more time:
    And your answer:
    Is not an answer.
    Why is there no debate?
    Why is it (according to you) "unfair"?
    Do you believe in them or not? There is no evidence to say they don't exist, and "no proof he doesn't exist" is, at least in part, your professed "rationale" for your belief in that particular god.
     
  21. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, but no. You really ought to read more closely. Here is what I said. The quote from my below post is evidence that you are yet again mistaken.
     
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm reasonably sure that you've been given this link before (probably by Spidergoat) but, one more time:
    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=92761
    Specifically, the links given in the first post.
     
  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong again.
    You specifically wrote "yet his popularity does not elevate him beyond a mere work of fiction".
    That wording states categorically that Zeus is a work of fiction: i.e. he doesn't exist.
    Maybe you should read (or think about) what you write.
    So why do think Zeus is fiction and not your god?
     

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